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Uzin

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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #108 on: March 09, 2018, 11:50:33 AM »

Hi Uzin, I'm really loving Cyberolas' Smolensk retexturing.  Have you thought about using those textures for your Belarus map?  It'd be nice if they looked similar with same textures.  It's just a thought.  :D
Yes, I thought about it several times. Alongside, the rivers need to be much narrower.
If anybody can overtake this task I would be glad, as I am deeply engaged in the Transcaucasia map work .
For the present time I consider to rework the airfields by BlankFieldPlated only.
The other task is to rework EastBalt airfields by BlankFieldPlates , too.
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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #109 on: March 09, 2018, 12:14:35 PM »

I have been working on an update to a campaign I did a while ago called Minsk to Moscow. In order to continue to use this map in BAT I used the blank plate visibility mod (at Uzin's suggestion) to smooth the airfields. I have not done all on the Belorussia map, but all the ones I am using for the campaign. As I work on the campaign I may add more, but here is what I have so far. Copy and paste the data below to a .mis file [Nstationary] section. Backup your mis file first! This assumes that you have the late$BlankFieldPlate object (it is in BAT).

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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #110 on: March 09, 2018, 01:09:31 PM »

Nice, vonofterdingen !
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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #111 on: March 09, 2018, 05:19:36 PM »

so, those are just blank plates added to your missions in the FMB?
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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #112 on: March 09, 2018, 06:57:23 PM »

so, those are just blank plates added to your missions in the FMB?
Obviously yes.
I just covered  most of airfields by BlankFieldPlates in MapBuilder, after finishing I shall release it as a patch.
When looking on the textures, I was astonished as they are poor.
The revision is undoubtedly necessary. Together with more populating the villages, surround them by crop fields and so on.
Unfortunately, I am not skilled too much in providing the maps with textures.
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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #113 on: March 10, 2018, 12:51:15 PM »

Help, I can't save missions in the FMB with this map.
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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #114 on: March 10, 2018, 01:01:18 PM »

jjmeow8,

this means that you are missing some objects. If you are so inclined, install BAT and you will be all set.

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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #115 on: March 10, 2018, 01:04:45 PM »

CzechTexan

Yes, as uzin indicated I just add the plates in the template I use for mission building. It is difficult to do without the plate visibility mod by tbouchot (apologies if I butchered that name). It makes the plates a green color so that they are easy to place. I keep it in my mods folder and toggle it on and off by putting a "-" in front of the name when I want to turn it off.
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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #116 on: March 10, 2018, 02:07:31 PM »

As a dummy user I don't understand what plates and friction mods you guys are talking about...  :-X
But I'm happy to get some action around Brest fortress on this map.
Uzin, thanks for your work.
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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #117 on: March 10, 2018, 04:52:11 PM »

@Dimlee:
ypu are welcome.
We are talking about the ways to make take off and landing runways smooth , without bumping .
Good luck.
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« Reply #118 on: March 10, 2018, 10:38:32 PM »

:)  Dimlee, I love your enthusiasm about this map!  I'm sure there are lots of other fans out there too.

vonofterdingen, yep, I love that little mod for making invisible plates visible.  Long ago when making the Older LowerBurma I was adding those plates blindfolded and just guessing as best I could at where to put them.  Once I got that mod, I was able to see the "mess" had made and cleaned it up a bit.  Well, it was that bad.  but the point is that that mod is incredible.

Uzin, adding the right textures where needed can be tricky.  It can be simple sometimes...when I retextured my Caucasus map with Cyberolas txts...what I did was find one of his that was similar looking to one of mine and just replace it.  Example:  certain types of grain fields or pastures - just look for something similar. 
vpmedia also has some good textures, especially of city textures (like Berlin).

What I notice in some maps, including mine, is that small towns and villages are omitted.  This makes the land look empty and barren.  IRL there are villages every few kilometers.
For my Moravia/Ostrava map, I got a real life map and overlayed it on top of the mapped area.  Then I selected and colored the city/village areas (each village has a unique shape as in real life) and added that to Map_T. 
You don't have to populate each village but I did use Autopop for Moravia since it is a smallish map.
I did the same for Forested areas - I just put a real map layer of forests on top of map_t and voila!  Really easy and forests are true to real life.

Here is the mapsite I used... https://en.mapy.cz/s/2smR7
click on the button for "change maps" to see forest areas.
The most difficult thing is to line everything up exactly right, or as best possible, but I really enjoyed making that map using that method.

Brest by CzechTexan, on Flickr
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Re: Belorussia version 2 - summer and winter map
« Reply #119 on: March 11, 2018, 04:27:10 AM »

@CzechTexan:
thank you very much for your advices.
Meantime, I have found a version of Belarus map with improved textures, narrower rivers, 
dated to 1916, buried on my HD.
 I took it now as a basis for rework, am adding BlankFieldPlates, airfields, repopularing it,
redrawing ad_m0X.tgas, and so on.
As for usage of Cyberolas textures, I am a bit limited by the number of textures
devoted exclusively to Minsk. It would be possible to change these devoted textures to flat objects,
but this seem unnecessary sao far.

Just two weeks (two months ? more? who knows?) to release new version , lol ! ;)

EDIT:
Thank you very much especially for the link of en.mapy.cz, it is very useful for Il-2 map makers!
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