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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2015, 08:25:07 AM »

The P-13 has a 30mm Mk-108 and R4M Air to air Rockets.
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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2015, 08:29:20 AM »

The P-13 has a 30mm Mk-108 and R4M Air to air Rockets.

And an Mk 108 round had the power to snap a B-17 in half.
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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2015, 08:52:25 AM »

And that saves your life?
Gentlemen, I'm not arguing against the effectivity of an MK 108 or R4M rockets.
I'm just raising your attention to the fact that the germans figured how little the chance is to survive your attack when you had to close in on your target in order to be within combat distance for your MK 108. And then you're still not done with it, once you finished your attack, if you're still alive at that point, you've got some 30 seconds more until you're out of the gunners' shooting distance again.
And while you're pointing two or maybe four MK 108s at your enemy, they're pointing a hundred cal .50s back at you. With much more ammo than you ever dreamed of. No need to aim precisely, just spraying the whole area, some bullets will always hit.
That, this little chance for surviving your attack, is what made these german weapons so unsuitable for the task they were supposed to fulfill.

Concerning R4M rockets: Yep, very effective. Rarely available. No suitable gunsight avaible. Shooting by your bums' feeling gives good results in simulators like IL-2, where you can hit refly 100 times until you finally got the sweet spot, but in real life 100 rebirths take some time.

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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2015, 10:16:08 AM »

... this reminds me of that rare species of bird... The Raphus Cucullatus.
Some call it the DoDo Bird.

Imagine an Allied 1,000+ bomber attack formation,
then imagine one little Ramjet fighter flying in between all those bombers. It is armed with 30mm Mk-108 and R4M Air to air Rockets!
That is one crazy Dodo bird!  :P

The poor little Dodo bird is now extinct.
Some say it tasted like chicken.  :D


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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2015, 02:12:04 PM »

I was talking about throttle when I talked about "all or nothing". I mean, is possible to control the throttle or you can have only 0% and 100%??
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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2015, 07:46:49 PM »


some interestig finds of mine for you to see...


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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2015, 05:30:57 AM »

The first video Max,
"planned top speed 10.000 km/h."  ;)
I don't think so.

I recently watched a full length episode on the X-15 and seeing how much difficulty the NASA had bringing this dangerous and famous plane to Mach 6 shows me that this crappy little thing would never have made it.

Sorry, most of Germany's late war fantastic designs to me all look like Kamikaze suicide designs, interisting but obsolete.
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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2015, 05:36:57 AM »

PS: It was "Top Speed above 10.000 km/h". :P

On another note, the design in the last video bears striking similarity with a much later NASA stratosphere jet design. But no way Germany would have built something like this NASA designin 40 something, not over a few years, safe to fly and be produced-with WWII era technology.
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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2015, 06:58:39 AM »

10.000 km, Mach 6, I know That,  Its the Sangar Orbital Bomber or Silver bird. http://www.luft46.com/misc/sanger.html.


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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2015, 07:26:17 AM »

The first video Max,
"planned top speed 10.000 km/h."  ;)
I don't think so.

I recently watched a full length episode on the X-15 and seeing how much difficulty the NASA had bringing this dangerous and famous plane to Mach 6 shows me that this crappy little thing would never have made it.

Sorry, most of Germany's late war fantastic designs to me all look like Kamikaze suicide designs, interisting but obsolete.

Yeah, I know what you mean. It is completely wild to think it could reach such high speeds. I don't think it would either.
But these designs do fascinate me.
Its very interesting to see how far ahead in years these aircraft designs were compared to what was
really happening around at that time in WW2.
The jet age was just happening. Even though the allies were also doing their own research and  discoveries, I have to admit,
 those German engineers were coming up with some fascinating machines way ahead for their time.
The necessary tools and engines were not yet developed for them to fly correctly, but the foundation was laid out for future
aircraft designs. All of the allied nations would later use these new designs for their own aircraft and machines. But still, it would take many
many more years until computers could really make them fly better.
This is very fascinating for me to read about, but I am also very glad they did not work properly.
Otherwise, we could have all be living right now in an European continent governed by the rule of a Nazi Empire. I am very happy we are not!

Anyway,
I will leave this post and let it be. No more posts here. - If anyone is interested in doing this P-13a aircraft, great. I will also fly it too with
great pleasure.
If its not made, No problem.
We already have many many wonderful aircraft mods to fly and enjoy in our great game! You also enjoy flying them too!  :)



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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2015, 08:51:56 AM »

is possible to control the throttle or you can have only 0% and 100%??
It's quite essential for a Ramjet to have throttle controls and the combustor of a Ramjet isn't rocket science, so the answer is "yes, of course you can control throttle".
Even the Me 163's HWK 109-509 rocket engine had variable thrust (if only within a small number of steps you could choose from), and that's really been difficult to implement.

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Re: Lippisch P-13A "Delta", "Nacho", whatever it looks like.
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2015, 09:50:42 AM »

Max, I did not intend to hurt you in your fascination of these wild late war developments.  ;) Maybe I am simply spoiled as a fanboy of US jet era technology, but of course, non of these jets would have been possible that fast from 1947 onward without the German imported technology, same BTW for any Russian jet of the early age up to 1960.

One of my favourite movies of all time, The Right Stuff, recalls that quite vividly. ;D
What I find most remarkable is that it took only 30 years from propeller driven planes in the 160 km/h range to the first Mach 1 capable rocket plane and only 40 years from those first biplanes to Mach 2!

I think any alien who would survey us these years had a hell of a surprise. Maybe that's why they crashed in 47 lol.. :P
Carry on gents, sorry if I came over rude. ;)
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