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[billywarren007]

While I was looking up the Luftwaffe for my uni work I came across the strange tale of the Do 11 and its offspring the Do 13 and the Do 23. Originally introduced in 1932 it was the first bomber to enter the German war machine. Though it never saw combat with the Luftwaffe it was used operationally by Bulgaria alongside the Luftwaffe in 1941 during Barbarossa. Feel it can be used to great effect for a what if campaign or if anyone wants to do an early bulgarian campaign

Specifications for Do 11:

General characteristics
Crew: 4
Length: 18.8 m (61 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 26.3 m (86 ft 3 in)
Height: 5.49 m (18 ft 0 in)
Wing area: 107.8 m2 (1,160 sq ft)
Empty weight: 5,978 kg (13,179 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 8,200 kg (18,078 lb)
Fuel capacity: 1,545 l (340 imp gal)
Powerplant: 2 × Siemens-Halske Sh.22B-2 9-cyl. air-cooled radial piston engines, 485 kW (650 hp) each for take-off
447 kW (599 hp) at 1,500 m (4,921 ft)
Propellers: 4-bladed fixed pitch wooden propellers
Performance
Maximum speed: 260 km/h (162 mph; 140 kn)
Cruising speed: 225 km/h (140 mph; 121 kn) at 1,000 m (3,281 ft)
Range: 960 km (597 mi; 518 nmi) with 1,545 l (340 imp gal) of fuel
Service ceiling: 4,100 m (13,451 ft)
Time to altitude: 1,000 m (3,281 ft) in 7 minutes
3,000 m (9,843 ft) in 36 minutesArmament
Guns: 3 x manually aimed 7.92 mm (0.312 in) MG 15 machine guns, 1 in each of open nose, dorsal and ventral positions
Bombs: up to 1,000 kg (2,205 lb) of bombs

Again for Do 23:

General characteristics
Crew: 4
Length: 18.80 m (61 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 25.60 m (84 ft)
Height: 5.40 m (17 ft 8½ in)
Wing area: 108.0 m² (1,163 ft²)
Empty weight: 5,600 kg (12,346 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 9,200 kg (20,282 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × BMW VIU liquid cooled V-12 engine, 559 kW (750 hp) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 260 km/h (140 kn, 161 mph)
Range: 1,500 km (810 nmi, 932 mi)
Service ceiling: 4,200 m (13,779 ft)
Wing loading: 85.2 kg/m² (17.4 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.12 kW/kg (0.074 hp/lb)
Armament
Guns: 3 × 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 15 machine guns (nose, dorsal and ventral positions)
Bombs: 1000 kg (2,205 lb) bombs carried internally.

[Marsei13(BG)]

Do 11 in bulgaria air force
+1

[David Prosser]

Hi, Marsei13. It would be great to see it in the game one day.

cheers

David Prosser

[Joberg]

+1 for any awesome interwar planes! +1 more for this!

[billywarren007]

It even had a propaganda film made about it

Couldn't find one with sound though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA_YAT2Qvko

plus more pictures

[CWMV]

Hmmm, didn't realize there was a NAZI airforce.
German air force/Luftwaffe ya, must have worked side by side?

[bren]

Hmmm, didn't realize there was a NAZI airforce.

There are no german a/f after Versailles and prior to beginning NSDAP reign. Nazi was created these airforces, and these airforces operated in nazi interests.
That's why.

[Ass Eagle]

Hmmm, didn't realize there was a NAZI airforce.

There are no german a/f after Versailles and prior to beginning NSDAP reign. Nazi was created these airforces, and these airforces operated in nazi interests.
That's why.

Learn some History. 

Lesson 1: Luftwaffe is apolitical.
Lesson 2: Reichsluftfahrtministerium formed in April 1933 was a branch of Reichskommissariat für die Luftfahrt, which was in existance since WWI.

Tell me, are F-15 eagles democrat F-15 or Republican F-15?  Or McDonald Douglas F-15? Right so airforce ordered F-15. With funding from goverment. Same with RLM. Luftwaffe placed orders, RLM built with goverment funding. Hitler had his pet projects, so be it, that was the goverment at the time.

And you talk of Versailles? With that treaty that the French want to humilate Germany with, the French goverment set in motion the begining of WWII.

[bren]

Lesson 1: Luftwaffe is apolitical.

O rly? Luftwaffe is part of nazi German's armed forces. Not just German, but nazi German. And took part in the war on the side of the nazis. And so on.

Lesson 2: Reichsluftfahrtministerium formed in April 1933 was a branch of Reichskommissariat für die Luftfahrt, which was in existance since WWI.

RLM not equal OKL.
And ok, time to learn some lesson. In the elections of 31 July 1932 the NSDAP received 13.7 million votes. This was not enough to form a majority in the Reichstag, but new Reichskanzler, von Papen, immediately began helping the nazis - overturned the ban of SA and illegally deposed the socialdemocratic government of Prussia, for example.
Why Luftwaffe was not formed before, but only then, when the Nazis recieved the power?

Tell me, are F-15 eagles democrat F-15 or Republican F-15?  Or McDonald Douglas F-15?

Is there any differences between these two parts of USA political circus, when viewed from the rest of the world? Will stop neo-imperialist politics of the USA, if the Republicans will be replaced by Democrats, or vice versa?

[Ass Eagle]

No.

The Luftwaffe fight for Homeland & her people, hence apolitical. The German party at the time could be the 'blue smurf united party', wouldn't make a difference.  You want to fight for NAZI politics in WWII, you join the Waffen SS. Hitlers personal army, independant of the regular, or 'peoples' army. And the Hakenkreuz on the fin of aircraft dosn't mean the Luftwaffe sided with any politics. It was just common practice, like the stars & bars or the fin flash.

My point for F-15 is that its NOT accociated with the political party. Thats all.

[SAS~Anto]

Watch where this is going guys. Do I need to remind you that discussions of politics are FORBIDDEN on this forum due to the inevitable shitstorm it causes.

Bring this topic back on track otherwise I will dump it.

[CWMV]

EDIT:
Cleaned my post up, a LOT of anger in it.
Anto I request the thread title be changed. Referring to any soldier by a political affiliation rather than national is an affront to those men.