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GilB57

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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2013, 05:31:26 AM »

Hi Cyberolas (great stuff you did with your repaints) !

I had to search for information, about this airfield for my map "WestFront44 winter" (which was the first I released).
Y29 airfield is also known as Asch in Belgium (it is on my map near Maastrich and near another ALG called Ophoven Y32). It was built by USAAF as an ALG.
Occupation at that time:
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Asch Y-29

366 FG (389, 390, 391 FS) P-47D 20/11/44-11/05/45
389, 390 FS 20/11/44-14/04/45
391 FS 20/11/44-21/04/45

Detachment 352FG (328, 486, 487 FS)P-51B&D 23/12/44-27/01/45

Unfortunately, I failed to find photographs or plans of it so I built it according to standard USAAF ALG construction (I had a plan of that).

A nearby example, Ophoven airfield:


...and what I did for Y29:


I expect it can help ?

NB: everybody seems to know this map, but just in case  ;) :
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,28363.0.html
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GilB57

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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2013, 06:18:55 AM »

....and Poltava made the missions:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,15332.0.html
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The mission pack contains EIGHTEEN different single missions, portraying the attacks on four allied airfields:

* Asch (Allied code name: Y29), close to the front line north of Maastricht. The airfield had been built in November 1944 and was home to the 352nd Fighter Group, Eighth Air Force, and the 366th Fighter Group, Ninth Air Force. It was attacked by Jagdgeschwader 11.
* St. Trond (A-92), northwest of Liege, and home for the USAAF 48th and 404th Fighter Group. It was attacked by Jagdgeschwader 2.
* Gilze-Rijen (B-77), between Breda and Tilburg. It was used by RAF units, and was attacked by elements from Jagdgeschwader 3 and Kampfgeschwader 51.
* Brussels-Evere (B-56), just outside Brussels. It was one of the most densely populated airfields in Belgium: the main force consisted of 60 Spitfire XVIs of No. 127 Wing RAF. Also present were B-17s and B-24s of the Eighth Air Force. The airfield was attacked by II. and III./JG 26.

You will be able to fly the following aircraft:
* Bf-109 K4
* Fw-190 A8
* Fw-190 D9
* Me-262 A1
* He-162 A2 (A hypothetical mission)
* Spitfire Mk IX
* Typhoon Mk IB Late
* Tempest Mk V
* P-47 D22 (Razorback)
* P-47 D27 (Bubbletop)
* P-51 D

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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2013, 09:51:24 AM »

Anyway what program do Dogfight use, IL2 is far more realistic
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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2013, 01:00:27 PM »

CGI by Fantasy Films if I recall. The motion blur effect that they use I really like.
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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2013, 03:36:50 PM »

That was a great episode of "Dogfights" and I gotta confess I learned something from it I had not known before; That you can chase and be chased around a slag heap! Hell, I'm not sure I know what a slag heap is or why Belgium seemed to have a bunch of them!

But it'd sure be fun to give slag heap dodgin' a whirl...in the game, of course. Not in real life.
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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2013, 04:02:39 PM »

I think these slag hills were too large, can you imagine these mountain from slag? :):)
Gilb, thank you for photo, I would like to have similar photo of Y-29:)
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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2013, 07:02:47 AM »

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I would like to have similar photo of Y-29:)
Me too ... as I was building the airfields of the map (just too late now ;) )
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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2013, 07:06:39 AM »

Not exactly what you're looking for but definitely a nice pic :)

http://www.nicolastrudgian.com/uploads/collections/128.jpg

 
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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2013, 01:57:02 PM »

Hi cyberolas, sorry to say that I don't have picture of Y-29. However I've got a description of the place from the book on Bodenplatte by John Manhro and Ron Putz, published by Hikoki 2004:
'Y-29 was little more than a PSP strip cut out in a pine forest.' And 'Y-29, also known as Asch, was an airfield situated close to the village of Asch, north-east of Genk in Belgium.
Constructed in the early days of November 1944 by the 852nd Engineer Aviation Battalion, the airfield consisted od a PSP (pierced Steel Planking) runway measuring 5.000 yards, flanked
on both sides by taxiways and hardstands for some 150 aircraft. Among the other airfield construction were two 21.000 gallon fuel tanks, five AA positions and a hangar.
AA protection at Y-29 was provided by the B and D Batteries of the 875th AAA AW Bn. under the local command of Maj. Mark Cox. The strip was home to the 352nd FG of the Eight Air Force
and the 366th FG of the Ninth Air Force.'
Air crew lived in tents!
Hope this helps
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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2013, 02:41:05 PM »

If you want to do Bodenplate and Y-29, then you're going to need to talk with Deacon and Persecutor at the 352nd Virtual Fighter Group (http://www.352ndfg.com/vb/content.php) and Punchy Powell (Real 352nd Pilot) at the 352nd Fighter Group (http://www.352ndfightergroup.com/).

You'll also want to get your hands on a copy of "Bluenoser Tales" (fat chance) or a copy of "Fighter Group" by Jay Stout.

IMHO, the only really good map for "Bodenplate" is the WestFront Maps by GilB57 as they provide enough bases for the various air operations starting Dec 23, 1944 and ending Jan 5, 1945; the principal period in question and is fairly accurate.  You'll probably need to do some re-texturing to lay in the field (fairly accurately described in a post above).

P.S. (3-12-2013)  There were no permanent structures at Y-29.  According to both books and conversations with pilots, what hangars they did have were made from the crates in which aircraft fuel was delivered (4 55gal drums per crate) in by C-47, then wrapped with canvas.  All pilots and aircrew stayed in tents with stoves to keep them warm.  Aircraft, munitions, fuel and supplies for the 352nd were ferried in from Bodney UK almost daily because 9thAF units that were there did not have enough to spare for them.  Remember, this was just a rapid deployment, temporary duty assignment by 352nd from 8thAF to 9thAF.  It was not the "home" of the 352nd as reported.  This was a 9thAF field.  8thAF fighter groups were deployed for only about 4-6 weeks to prop up 9thAF forward capabilities.  There were no fuel tanks.  Fuel was delivered by truck and C-47.  According to stories, there was a deep ditch down either side of the runway it entire length - oft frequented by pilots when the base was under attack.  There was a reference to two 21000 gal fuel tanks earlier.  According to pilots, they did not exist while the 352nd was deployed there...maybe later.  It was a muddy, cold, wet, sloppy, snowy, dreary....very unimproved location.

 As for the slag piles, this region was covered with open-pit coal mines at that time, and the slag piles were the castoff from converting to coal to coke (refining) for use in steel production.  Remember, this is the Ruhr Valley.  Yes, they were large, but not mountains.  More like large hills.  If you look a photos from steel production facilities and see the large coal piles, then you get an appreciation for size.  The object pack includes several suitably sized and shaped objects....they would just need to be re skinned for coal piles.
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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2013, 11:36:52 AM »

Having said all the above, there is some indication that the Asch field was in existence during WWI from this link.....http://www.forumeerstewereldoorlog.nl/viewtopic.php?t=4597&highlight=schule

Appears there "were" hangars there at some point if this is in fact the same field.....  It may be the buildings were dismantled post WWI with the general demobilazations that took place and the land reclaimed prior to 1944.
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Re: Bodenplatte
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2013, 03:48:39 PM »

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