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[agracier]

Flying around with enemy planes circling a friendly airfield when burning after taking hits, I wondered if would be possible for such fatally wounded planes, to crash into the nearest ground target they could get to, say a parked stationary plane or a hanger or whatever ...

It's one f those staples perhaps of war movies, but when you are fatally hit with no hope,  would it not be an impulse to try and take an enemy with you?

This wouldn't necessarily be limited to Japanese aircraft. I just used the term because it will give an idea what I mean ...

[X-Raptor]

Hi agracier, I probably think you jet know but I tell you : If you set very last waypoint of an AC  "gattack" and lock it to any enemy obyect, ship, etc.. you will see that plane behavior like kamikaze   

[NS~mati140]

yup, what he said. That's not a bug, that's intencional 

[agracier]

Thanks for the suggestion, but what i was thinking would depend on how combat goes. Say it goes well for the enemy, he is not hit and simply follows the further waypoints.

I was thinking more of a situation in which an enemy or friendly who has been critically hit, is going down, and because of the proximity of a target, would choose to dive into it to destroy it as a last gesture ... or maybe even crash into an enemy plane ...

These aren't things you can foresee happening during a mission ... it would depend on circumstances ...

Just an idea

[SAS~Malone]

interesting idea, but something tells me trying to do something like this might cause more problems than it's worth, the AI already being very tricky to get to behave properly.
i do like the thinking, though....

[X-Raptor]

hmm and also I think this will be not really much "Historical correct" agracier: just japanese soldiers/pilots had the mentality and "culture" of suicide proposal during war times, other than this just germans pilots Sonderkommando "ELBE" but they didn't think to suicide because the proposal was to eject from their aircraft just after ramming the allied bombers

[agracier]

I understand about the historical mentality and all. But I wasn't thinking about expressly staged suicide missions.

I was just thinking that in extreme circumstances, a mortally wounded pilot in the heat of battle and as sort of consolation of taking an enemy with him, might if he could, try to eliminate a an enemy just before dying ... perhaps it's movie stuff, from novels or whatever ...

It's just an idea and may indeed not be very easy to implement ...

And btw - thanks for the tip on last waypoint as GA ... I didn't know about that little trick ...

[ls]

hmm and also I think this will be not really much "Historical correct" agracier: just japanese soldiers/pilots had the mentality and "culture" of suicide proposal during war times, other than this just germans pilots Sonderkommando "ELBE" but they didn't think to suicide because the proposal was to eject from their aircraft just after ramming the allied bombers

Not quite true, russian fighter pilots often used "ramming" as ultimate weapon against air targets (especially using I-16 propeller hitting enemy's tail).
And - first ramming attack in WWII was made by polish fighter pilot, col. Leopold Pamula - in September 1939 r. (P-11c against Bf-109).

[Venator77]

the russians rammed because their guns jammed. most of them didn't make it out alive.

[SAS~Gerax]

Russians did ~ 580 ramms,
but there was ~ 3 million sorties the russian flew in WWII ..
So I would not name it: often.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_ramming

[ls]

Russians did ~ 580 ramms,
but there was ~ 3 million sorties the russian flew in WWII ..
So I would not name it: often.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_ramming

Yes, in this comparative scale (3 million sorties  ) I must  agree.
But in the literature it is stated as often used in eastern front. And even in this article in Wiki author wrote: "In World War II, ramming was a widely reported technique of lone VVS pilots against the Luftwaffe, especially in the early days of the hostilities in the war's Eastern Front". So - let's say: ramming was most often used by Soviets in ETO.

[NS~mati140]

-Sonderkomando Elbe
-IJA Air Force
-Soviet Air Force
-Polish Air Force - even in BoB there was an attempt to ram by Polish 303rd squadron pilot (don't remember name) who tried ram Bf-109 by cutting off the throttle in front-up of him and putting his tail in German's propellor (none of them had guns IIRC); it all happened at tree top level and German pilot, trying to avoid hitting the Hurricane pulled down and hit the ground, desintegrating the plane and himself into pieces.