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Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« on: February 23, 2013, 12:37:19 PM »

Hello everyone !! :)

Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299

I would like to share with you some information about this airplane, I think that Latécoère is one of the missing planes in game from the time of the Battle of France . I know that many of you Dear modders is now working on his own projects; Thank you all of you for your excellent work for us on this forum  8). This request is only a suggestion, and I hope that the information contained here will one day be useful for someone. 
Latécoère Laté 298


A multi-purpose twin-float seaplane, the prototype Late 298.01 first flew on 8 May 1936. Intended missions included torpedo bombing; horizontal or shallow dive bombing (with two bombs of up to 150 kg each); long-range reconnaissance (with extra 535 litre fuel tank); night reconnaissance; and smokescreen laying. A cantilever low-wing monoplane with an all-metal oval-section stressed-skin fuselage, the production Late 298A was powered by a 656kW Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs engine and had a crew of three accommodated under a glazed canopy. The Late 298B version had folding wings for shipboard stowage. Armament comprised two fixed 7.5mm Darne wing guns and a third Darne machine-gun on a flexible mounting at the rear of the crew canopy. The Late 298D had a fourth crew member, and the 'one-off' unsuccessful Late 298E had a ventral observation gondola.

Laté 298E Obs. version with belly gondola, Laté 298D conv.

Some 110 Late 298 of all versions had been built by 25 June 1940 and a further 20 Late 298F (with MAC instead of Darne weapons and two additional 7.7mm machine-guns for ventral 'under-tail' defence) were built for the French Vichy regime.


The first naval escadrilles to equip with the type were T2 at Saint-Raphael and T1 at Berre in February and March 1939 respectively. Escadrilles HB1 and HB2 on the seaplane carrier Commandant Teste re-equipped with Late 298B in April and July the same year. From then on the type saw widespread service, flying overland in shallow dive-bombing attacks during the May-June 1940 'Blitzkrieg' on France and subsequently continuing to operate - mainly on reconnaissance missions - with both the Vichy and Free French forces. Several captured aircraft were used for liaison duties by the Germans. A number of Late 298 continued into the post-World War II period with the French Aeronavale.


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At first logic prompted that only twin-engined aircraft, even more those made as flying boat, will be able to manage all stated conditions. But, in this case unavoidably appeared the problem of their large dimensions, because of it these aircrafts could not easily be entered in the hangars of aircraft carriers.
Then, it was acted that optimum version will be building local single-engined seaplanes. This change proved to be exactly what Societe industrielle d'Aviation latecoere was waiting for, in May 1936 they had already successfully tested the seaplane Late 298.
From some parameters, as, for instance, flight speed, it was a little under requirements, but in all other respects they considered it was completely suitable for modifications for a CV based plane. It made it possible to easily go faster than any other competitors, with the reduced time of design.

Meanwhile, war ministry thought over the program, and in December 1937 gave out news specifications, in which was indicated the speed of 400 kph, and time of storing and folding wings should not exceed 3 minutes.

Clearly such parameters were not those of Late 298; therefore it was necessary to rework part of  fuselage, tail assembly and wing, and it was also necessary to provide a more powerful motor.
In June 1938 the “mock-up” of latecoere 298 was finished correspondingly to specifications and was presented to war commission.

The new aircraft, which passed on the unusual landing gear (folding to the rear), and called it Latecoere 299. Preliminary project pleased high ranks of naval aviation, as it was especially  developed on the basis of an already existing serie of  torpedo bomber.

The first order for two prototypes was obtained on July 5, 1938 with the final date of delivery of  July 5 the following year. Both prototypes were built and successfully passed the entire game of tests.
The only, thing that engineers of firm Latecoere could not attain in july 39 was obtaining the maximum required speed of 400kph.

Unfortunately they did not have time to correct it and then begin production as the capitulation of France stirred, all further development on this aircraft was considered as a task of secondary importance and all work on it stopped by July 1940.
History:
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Design work on the Latécoère 298 commenced in 1934 and it first entered service with the French navy in 1939. When the Second World War broke out, 81 aircraft were delivered and first saw action first in the roles of coastal patrol, bombing and strafing. It was used throughout the war by French Navy. The Luftwaffe also used captured examples in secondary roles. In North Africa after the landing of American troops, they saw action along with Coastal Command Wellington for submarines hunt and shore patrol. It ended the war as a light bomber during operation on French Atlantic coast where German had retrieved. A few were still in use after the war and I even saw a picture showing one which had landed on a castle water moat after an engine failure in early 1950s’!

In the early 1930s, the Marine nationale (French navy) was looking to replace its aging Levasseur PL15 and Latécoère 290 torpedo seaplanes. The new aircraft had to be stable in flight, drop torpedoes, dive-bomb, and carry out long-range reconnaissance patrols. When the Société industrielle d’aviation Latécoère (SILAT) presented its Latécoère 298 project in 1934, the model had no competitor. The Laté 298 was a monoplane with large floats, metal structure, and a metal skin with some fabric-covered parts, powered by a Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs inline engine that drove a Ratier variable-pitch propeller. The radiators were retractable and located below the wing roots. One pilot, one rear gunner, and one navigator/radio operator (who was carried only if required) operated the aircraft. Ordnance could be attached under the fuselage, partially stored in a recessed bay. The fuselage could not accommodate the desired 20-mm (0.79-in) Hispano-Suiza HS.9 cannon, leaving forward firing armament to consist of only two 7.5-mm (0.295-in) Darne machine guns in the wings. The rear gunner manned a single mobile weapon of the same type.

The Aéronautique navale (naval aviation) authorities accepted the project for evaluation, and SILAT built the first prototype in Toulouse-Montraudan. Its maiden flight took place May 8, 1936 from St-Laurent-de-la-Salanque. Extensive testing led to only minor modifications and the Aéronautique navale ordered the type in August 1937.

The first examples delivered to operational units, in January 1939, equipped Escadrille (Flight) T2, based in Cherbourg. Escadrille T1, based in Berre, adopted the type shortly thereafter, as did Escadrilles HB1 and HB2, which, while theoretically assigned to the seaplane carrier Commandant-Teste, never flew Latés - which were not designed for catapult launches - from the ship. Early in deployment, two fatal accidents revealed that the crews needed supplementary training to handle these modern highly wing-loaded aircraft. T3 received its seaplanes in September 1939 and T4 was so equipped in early 1940.

With the declaration of war in 1939, T2 began to patrol the English Channel in an uneventful hunt for German submarines, but the unit would face the more substantial threat of German ground forces the next year. On May 19, the Armée de l’air headquarters of the Zone d’opérations aériennes Nord (Northern France air operations zone; ZOAN), overwhelmed by German pressure, requested help from the Aéronautique navale. The commander-in-chief of the Forces maritimes du Nord (Northern France naval forces) at first committed its naval dive-bombers to the ground battle, and, on May 23, ordered T2 to destroy an enemy armoured column “somewhere between Abbeville and Boulogne”. The headquarters officers of the Aéronautique navale tried to help stem the German invasion but were not necessarily well informed about modern air war and the capabilities of the naval aircraft under their command.

Despite the T2 commander’s protests that his aircraft were only equipped with anti-shipping bombs and his crews were not trained to attack ground targets, the order was confirmed – anything that might slow down the Germans was to be attempted. On the first sortie, the crews of the Laté 298s could not locate the target column, but one of the seaplanes was shot down by flak. Another four T2 Latés took off for a second attack on the same poorly defined target, and this time encountered nine Bf 110s of I./JG 27. Only one Laté made it back home. Even more desperate missions of this type were carried out by the crews of T2 and T3.

In June, following Italy’s declaration of war on France, the Laté 298-equipped units were redirected towards the Mediterranean. Escadrilles T2 and HB2 engaged a few Italian naval targets, with little result, shortly before the Armistice came into effect. By then, most torpedo seaplanes had been evacuated to North Africa, with the exception of Escadrille T4, which had been training and remained in southern France.

According to Armistice terms, all French aircraft were grounded, but after the Royal Navy attack on the French fleet in Mers el-Kébir, maritime patrol off the North African coast became a regular duty for the crews. In spite of the Royal Navy attack, one Latécoère crew defected to British-held Malta in July 1940. The airmen joined the RAF, and their aircraft, repainted in RAF colours, was used operationally for reconnaissance and leaflet dropping. Most Latés saw little use during the Armistice period as several units were disbanded at German request. Vichy France sent Escadrille 1T (formerly T1) to the Levant States in summer 1941 to help fend off British and Free French forces, but the unit arrived too late and without the equipment to play a significant part in the fratricidal conflict before Syria and Lebanon fell.

The Operation Torch landings in North Africa did not mark the end of the Laté’s career, as it did for many other French aircraft types. The need to secure the new Allied stronghold in the Mediterranean forced the Marine nationale to use the Latés for coastal patrol, as a complement to other Allied types such as the Supermarine Walrus.

When German forces invaded southern France in November 1942, they captured 54 Laté 298s. The Italians expressed an interest in acquiring the seaplanes but did not receive them before surrendering to the Allies. The Germans, having evaluated two examples captured in 1940, planned to convert the 45 remaining airworthy Latés for use by Luftwaffe units. Machine guns, bomb racks, and radio sets were to be replaced by standard German equipment. A single converted example was tested in May 1944, but the project came to an abrupt end when in August the Allies landed in southern France, where the Latés were stationed.

After the war, the Aéronautique navale found itself in control of a large number and wide variety of seaplane and flying boat types, including Allied aircraft such as Consolidated Catalinas, Short Sunderlands, Supermarine Sea Otters, ex-Luftwaffe Dornier Do 24s, and even Japanese-built aircraft captured in French Indochina. The Latécoère 298 was assigned trainer duties with Escadrille 53.S before being phased out of service in 1951.
Specification Latécoère Late 298 
 CREW 3
 ENGINE 1 x HS 12 Ycrs, 630kW
 WEIGHTS
    Take-off weight 4123 kg 9090 lb
    Empty weight 2360 kg 5203 lb
 DIMENSIONS
    Wingspan 15.5 m 51 ft 10 in
    Length 12.6 m 41 ft 4 in
    Height 5.2 m 17 ft 1 in
    Wing area 31.6 m2 340.14 sq ft
 PERFORMANCE
    Max. speed 270 km/h 168 mph
    Cruise speed 243 km/h 151 mph
    Range w/max.payload 800 km 497 miles
 ARMAMENT 3 machine-guns, 1700kg torpedo

Specifications Latécoère Late 298A
  CREW 3
  ENGINE 1 Hispano-Suiza engine 12Ycrs-1 | 1 x 880 hp
  Wingspan: 15.50 m
  length:   12.56 m
  height:   5.25 m
  Payload: -
  Gross weight:  4517 kg
  Maximum speed: 286 km / h at 2500 m
  Ceiling: 5100 m
  Range: 1000 km
  armament:
  Three 7.5 mm machine guns
  1 torpedo 670 or 500 kg of bombs

Modification Late 298A
Wingspan 15.50 m
Length, m 12.56
Height, 5.25 m
Wing area, m2 31.60
Weight, kg:
   Empty 3060
   off weight 4795
Engine type 1 PD Hispano-Suiza 12 Ycrs
Horsepower 1 x 880
Maximum speed km / h 290
Cruising speed, km / h 245
Range, km 2200
rate of climb: m / min  268
Ceiling, m 6500
crew 3
Armament: two fixed and one manually suggestive 7.5-mm machine Darne Mle 1933 kal. 7,5 mm
  one 670-kg Type 1926 DA torpedo or 500 kg bombs, or three depth charges, or nine flares.

Specifications (Laté 298D)
 
General characteristics
 Crew: 2 to 4, usually 3
 Length: 12,56 m (41 ft 2.5 in)
 Wingspan: 15.5 m (50 ft 10.5 in)
 Height: 5.25 m (17 ft 1.75 in)
 Wing area: 31.6 m² ()
 Empty weight: 3,057 kg (6,750 lb)
 Loaded weight: 4,793 kg (10,582 lb)
 Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs liquid-cooled V-12, (880 hp)
 Performance
 Maximum speed: 300 km/h (167 mph)
 Range: 1,500km (932 miles)
 Service ceiling: 6,397 m[1] (21,325 ft)
 Armament
 Standart: 3x 7.5 mm Darne machine guns
 
 680kg(1,500 lb) payload
 (Up to 1,500lbs of conventional drop bombs or 1 x torpedo).

  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/4-France/06-Aeronautic/Late-298/Late-298.htm
Variants
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All variants powered by a single Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs-1 engine.
 Laté 298A: First production variant.
 Laté 298B: Variant with folding wings for use on seaplane carriers; observation post added; crew of four.
 Laté 298D: Similar to 298B without the folding wings.
 Laté 298E: Observation variant with weapon fixation replaced by an observor's gondola; one prototype built.
 Laté 299: A three seat reconnaissance-torpedo bomber derived from the Late 298, powered by a 920hp Hispano-Suiza 12Y-43, first flight on 7 July 1939, (two prototypes built).
Latécoère Laté Designations - Laté 298 to Laté 299

Laté 298 Series - 1934 design, low-wing monoplane torpedo bomber
 -- NB: Laté 298 design was a successor to the Laté 29, not a variant*
 - Laté 298-01: 1936 prototype, 1 x 880 hp HS.12Ycrs1, 1 built
 -- Laté 298-01 tests successful, float spreader bar added
 - Laté 298A: coastal patrol model, revised canopy, 24* built
 -- * 24 x Laté 298A ordered in 1937, some sources claim 30 built
 - Laté 298B: folding wing version, crew inc. from 3 to 4, 42 built
 -- Laté 298B for use on floatplane carrier Commandant Teste
 - Laté 298C: [Project] floatplane (but details unknown)
 - Laté 298D: as per Laté 298A but with Laté 298B wings, 75 built
 - Laté 298E: Obs. version with belly gondola, 1 x Laté 298D conv.
 - Laté 298F: 1942 simplified Laté 298D ordered for Vichy, 30 built
 -- Laté 298D total of 75 built may also incl. Laté 298F production

[* Nevertheless, 'Laté 29-8' is to be seen in place of Laté 298]

Laté 299 - 1939 retractable u/c adaptation of Laté 298 floatplane
 - Laté 299: as originally planned in 1938, 920 hp HS.12Y-27
 - Laté 299-01: 1939 first prototype shipborne recce/torpedo-bomber
 - Laté 299-02: 1939 second prototype, both with 970 hp HS.12Y-43
 - Laté 299A: 1942 Laté 299-01 conversion to 2 x tandem HS.12Y-31s
 -- Laté 299A-01 flown 1943 to test future Arsenal VB-10 config.

Latécoère Laté 299


Multipurpose plane its missions ranged from recon, torpodoeing, bombing and even smoke screen laying
Specifications Latécoère Late 299.01
Crew 3
Engine 1 x 920hp Hispano-Suiza 12 Y-43
Weights
   Take-off weight 4650 kg 10252 lb
   Empty weight 3170 kg 6989 lb
Dimensions
   Wingspan 15.64 m 51 ft 4 in
   Length 12.28 m 40 ft 3 in
   Height 4.46 m 15 ft 8 in
   Wing area 34.60 m2 372.43 sq ft
Performances Late 299.01
   Max. speed 356 kph 214 mph
   Cruise speed 275 kph 171 mph
   Ceiling 6600 m 21650 ft
   Range 900 km 559 miles
Armament:
3 x 7.5mm MAC machine-guns (2 front, 1 rear), 1 x 750kgs Torpedo or 900kgs of bombs. Smoke dispenser
Specification Latécoère Late 299  
 ENGINE 1 x 920hp Hispano-Suiza 12 Y-43
 WEIGHTS
    Take-off weight 4650 kg 10252 lb
    Empty weight 3170 kg 6989 lb
 DIMENSIONS
    Wingspan 15.64 m 51 ft 4 in
    Length 12.28 m 40 ft 3 in
    Height 4.46 m 15 ft 8 in
    Wing area 34.60 m2 372.43 sq ft
 PERFORMANCE
    Max. speed 345 km/h 214 mph
    Cruise speed 275 km/h 171 mph
    Ceiling 6600 m 21650 ft
    Range 900 km 559 miles
 ARMAMENT 3 x 7.5mm Darne MAC 1934 M29 MG, 900kg of bombs or 1 x 670kg torpedo
 
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/4-France/06-Aeronautic/Late-299/Late-299.htm





Note that Late 299A is a variant developped under german control after 1940



7.5-mm machine Darne Mle 1933
The Darne introduced the manufacturing and assembly methods that were to reach their zenith with the German MG42 in World War Two. At a time when machine guns were being built and machined virtually as hand-made items, the Darne was designed for cheapness and ease of manufacture. Unlike most arms manufacturers they saw no need to produce military weapons to commercial standards of finish and in doing so they suceeded in producing one of the crudest and cheapest machine guns on the market! While it looked cheap and nasty it was an efficient weapon that soon saw wide service, particularly as an aircraft gun and was produced for a number of air forces during the 1930s - even being evaluated by the british but it lost out to the Browning. Although it was named for the parent company it was mainly produced by the Unceta factory in Spain as well as in Czechoslovakia under licence. It was manufactured for France in 7.5mm and 8mm calibre and by Czechoslovakia in 7.92mm. Some of the Czech guns ended up in Yugoslavia. Many of the Spanish built guns were 7.5mm aircraft versions. After 1940 the Germans used captured Darne guns with the designation leMG 106(f) mainly as coastal defence guns, Some were emplaced in turrets in the Channel Islands.

Produced from 1922 to 1939, the Darne machine gun (officially known as mitrailleuse Darne mle 1933) equipped French aircraft until 1935 when it was replaced by the MAC 1934, except in naval aircraft. Often criticized for its lack of reliability, the Darne machine gun worked by gas operation and was fed from a 100 or 250-round belt. Like other rifle calibers, the 7.5 mm bullets proved to be too light for air combat in World War II.

7.5x54mm MAS mod. 1929

Specifications
Calibre: 7.5x54mm MAS mod. 1929
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Length: 1.12 m
Weight: 7.8 kg
Muzzle Velocity: 830 m/s
Rate of Fire: 1100-1200 rounds per minute
Range: 500 m (effective range around 200 m)

MAC 1934 Specifications:
Weight            10.7 kg
Length             0.85 m
Cartridge          7.5 mm MAS
Caliber             7.5 mm
Action             Gas
Rate of fire       1450 rounds per minute
Muzzle velocity  830 m/s (2,722.4 ft/s)
Feed system     drum or belt

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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 05:07:05 PM »

  Hey, that's a great request! I like the drawing of the Girl in it ;) +1 for testpilot (if mod gets made...)
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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2013, 05:32:05 PM »

Hi, Piotrek1. The French version would be the best one for any modder to make.

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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 12:38:26 PM »


Hi
  Hey, that's a great request! I like the drawing of the Girl in it ;) +1 for testpilot (if mod gets made...)
Buchon2111.  I'm glad you like my pilot ;D

Hi, Piotrek1. The French version would be the best one for any modder to make.

David Prosser
I agree with you David :)
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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 01:53:40 PM »

Very good request indeed, Piotrek, and very well documented to. Thank you.
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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 10:21:58 PM »

Yesthis is the kind of plane I like to see in game , good one :)
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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 06:35:49 AM »



Can someone tell me where is this islands and it's name please?
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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 11:55:19 AM »

Hello :)! RealDarko
Island visible in this image is near Dakar, Senegal, and is called Île de Gorée
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gor%C3%A9e
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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2013, 05:58:57 PM »

found this pics:







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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2013, 04:48:15 AM »

it should be a good additional.
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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2013, 08:29:16 AM »

French air force was under represented in this game, hopefully we have talented modders for adding new plane! This plane will be welcome
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Re: Latécoère Laté 298 and Laté 299
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2013, 02:05:31 PM »

I think that RAF used 2 or 3 Laté on Malta in antiship role... ;)
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