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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2013, 02:29:38 AM »

this thread has me drooling every time i have a look.
really looking forward to seeing this great detail in-game! :D
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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2013, 09:38:21 PM »


in one word to describe it... STUNNING !  8)

A work of art!
A Mona Lisa of the high seas!





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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2013, 07:32:18 AM »

I served on the Oriskany '63 - '65. F8s, A4s, A1s A3s. This brings back memories.
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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2013, 10:15:39 AM »



Modelling is almost completed and it seems appropriate to record the various features and reasons for opting for particular approaches.

DETAIL
The aim was to create a carrier to be used as the preferred choice when at sea. It was to look and feel right and contain plenty of detail so that the navy pilot could suspend disbelief for a brief, pleasurable, moment. USS Hancock CVA-19 circa 1970 was arbitarily chosen as the model and probably the only accurate item in the model is the number '19'. Everything else is, of course, vertices, edges, faces and pixels. However, it is hoped that enough has been added to make the pilot think he's on the 'Fighting Hanna'.

TEXTURES
Large maps were used wherever possible. There are very few plain surfaces, most textures were mapped onto textured areas to give variation in hues and tones.

WEATHERING
Usually the mapping underlayers were toned and smudged a little then another layer of varied hues and opacity was overlaid. More layers of dirt or rust or abrasion were then added.

LIGHTING
Some upper surfaces and most top edges were lightened to emphasise lighting. Shadows were added widely even though the IL2 engine is known to deal well with lighting.

LADDERS, RAILS AND NETTING
Many features were created using transparencies to add to the complexity of the model. Safety netting was liberally added around the deck edges.

DOORS
Planes were created with associated UV maps and made on a relatively large scale in the texture map then scaled on the island.

HANGERS
Trapezoidal spaces were cut into the hull and a background image created with a transparent plane containing figures in front to give a psuedo 3D effect.

DOWNPIPES
Some downpipes were added to the island and hull. To save vertices the pipes were simple inverted V shapes with no back planes; 32-sided cylinders would be better but we'll wait for 128-bit PC power.

RIGGING
Straight lines were not used for rigging because it was thought that they often look too rigid. Blocks were suggested by means of triangular objects at the ends of the rigging; the eye and the brain does the rest.

RADAR
Plenty of small scale grids and transparencies used to give a complex feel. Would be nice to have rotating radar but there was insufficient time for investigation. (I think the radar-guided gun directors from diving hawk/western0221 still rotate and follow aircraft though).

WATER SPOUTS
Water waste flows were added using a transparent map on a simple form. the z-buffer shimmer was accepted as a substitute for animation.

STEAM CATAPULT
A hook was created deep inside the hull for vapour but the effect was too unrealistic. Another method was to create 6x planes close together to give a Z-buffer shimmer but this was too static because it needed semi-transparency for full effect. Would be nice to have.

LANDING AID
A self-illuminating FLOLS was attempted with no success. A simple, non-working transparent FLOLS was created instead.

ANCHORS
Borrowed from Asheshouse, thanks.

GUNS
All but 4x 5" guns were removed as was appropriate for the era. The empty spaces were filled with stowage boxes, communications points, floats and emergency points.

SMOKE
Smoke was omitted because it was thought to detract from the realism. For example, smoke is hardly ever seen on ships of this era under way. Similarly, there is no need of a flag. (Vertices saved).

HULL
The underwater part of the hull has been removed because the ship is not going to be attacked, nor is it going to sink, nor is anyone going to sit there and watch it sink. (More vertices saved for something else).

DAMAGE
No damage models have been included; this carrier has not been constructed for use as a target. Aircraft collisions with radar mast, island and so on are rare and no time was spent constructing or utilising existing collision boxes.

LOD
The levels of detail are still being considered.
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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2013, 11:42:06 AM »

That is an amazing amount of work Karla! You really made an effort! The details bring so much life into that carrier...

A couple of questions if I may. Will you be updating the Oriskany with your work done on Hancock? Have you done any 3d changes on the bridge decks? The upper deck is at angle now, or am I seeing wrong? Are you planning to do any more work on them? This is the look that comes on my my mind, one of my favorite carrier photos...http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Douglas_A-4A_USS_Hancock_CVA-19_1958.jpg

..imagine we had a Skyhawk ingame.... Again, great job on those HD skins also! 
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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2013, 04:43:50 AM »



It's on its way. Hancock should be released within a couple of weeks after further tweaks and checks. Thanks chaps.
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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2013, 09:20:46 AM »

Great News Karla!! Thank you for this.
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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2013, 09:33:43 AM »


HULL
The underwater part of the hull has been removed because the ship is not going to be attacked, nor is it going to sink, nor is anyone going to sit there and watch it sink. (More vertices saved for something else).

DAMAGE
No damage models have been included; this carrier has not been constructed for use as a target. Aircraft collisions with radar mast, island and so on are rare and no time was spent constructing or utilizing existing collision boxes.


I don't usually say much anyways, and I am not attacking the author in any way, but in a combat sim it would be pretty useless to have an invincible carrier, or a carrier which can't be attacked. Any carrier in a war zone will be attacked in some way and collisions with the deck on landing will happen. I love the look of this carrier and will use it but those two things are unrealistic IMO. Also I understand it is his model and he made it the way he wanted but its just the combat if using this carrier is going to be unrealistic.
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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2013, 08:11:11 AM »

Yeah, I must humbly agree to an extent. While htis will be great for simulating Nam stuff, it will be kinda limited to misns where the CV is not in danger. Missions Sailing into the Med during the 73 Yom Kippur war will have to consider such. However,  having made a few misns involving post war East/West ops, I found that most of the scenarios i made do not endanger the carriers, but it is still a limiting factor. Would be nice if it could at least sink though at some point.

However, this is pretty incredible and I look forward to it. I do humbly wish that the crewmen on deck could be turned off though, as all those guys are standing still on deck in flight ops and getting in the way a bit if you taxi, as can be the case in the ones that have that currently. Still, it's the creator's vision, and I think it's a great project. I will certainly make use of this in the FMB while keepign the limitations in mind; everything has limitations. Thanx again for this incredible project.  8)  :P
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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2013, 08:27:41 PM »

What about the Iranian gun boats, they were there at the Hancocks time frame too, weren't they, I might be wrong though.
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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2013, 06:44:30 AM »

What about the Iranian gun boats, they were there at the Hancocks time frame too, weren't they, I might be wrong though.
They were but not in a big way and not big news then something else was
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Re: USS Hancock CVA-19
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2013, 11:20:17 PM »

The Essex class were all gone by the late 70s, except for training CVT Lexington. Jimmy Carter didn't hand over Iran to our enemies until 79 (while my late Dad was an AH-1J instructor there with Bell Helicopter), so Iran was our most powerful ally in the mideast until he withdrew his support for a loyal ally. There are many other possible scenarios where it could be used in alternate history schemes, like Taiwan, Korea, the Med, etc. She had versatile air wing covering all the misns. 

I have an old issue of Proceedings magazine from 73 that has Hancock on the cover as she was then off the Nam coast with A-4Fs and F-8s.  Or did I say that already? Wish I could find it.
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