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[santobr]

The main problem here is that the upper class ARE the politicians, they take our money and they buy everything like companies, banks, television channels, judges, etc.
For example, the President of the Senate of Brazil is owner of 2 or more subsidiaries of the main channel of TV here.
They are not just politicians.
I think this is the New World Order.



santobr.

[max_thehitman]

I think this is the New World Order.

santobr.

É triste, mas é a verdade da situação 

It´s sad, but it´s the truth of the situation.

[CWMV]

Well... we need a world revolution... but peoples are not ready, for the moment... they have to suffer more to wake up !
...

I would caution your use of rhetoric. Slogans like worldwide revolution are the watchwords of tried and failed (oh and utterly Evil) collectivist movements.

I would phrase it more like this:
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

The thing is that while the US is probably one of the least likely countries to have an armed insurrection (even if we could really use it) its one of the only first world countries that could have one if the citizenship chose to. Most of the countries of the world have been disarmed by their governments and find themselves helpless. As modern times have shown us the ballot box is not the ultimate arbiter of political change-it is the cartridge box.

But then we come to the ultimate problem-the people. The People have allowed themselvs to become a disarmed feudal class in many of these countries, quieted from dissent by a government that promises more and more bribes in the form of social programs. in the end, regardless of the country you cite, the people are to blame.

[Gaston]

CWMV, you are right on most of what you say.

In most countries, there are laws forbidding weapons (anyway, controlling in a first time, and then banning weapons is the first thing all diictatorships do...). And generally, the peoples who put these laws in place suffer of what I call "Short memory"... here in Switzerland, we have lots of weapons circulating among the people... but for how long ? they tend to control them more and more, thanks to idiots comitting crimes with them... these idiots are the pretext for these new laws, because what is used is the brutality of their crimes, but the real deep causes of them are always ignored...

But one thing is sure : one day, we will find ourselves in front of a world dictatorship, and we will not be able to defend ourselves because we will be unarmed and unprepared... and all this will happen because we are actually blind and asleep ! you are absolutely right : the people are to blame for their blindness and their will not to be prepared !

[Whiskey_Sierra_972]

Democracy is a brittle contact point between the Dictatorship (left or right) and Anarchy spheres....

The trouble is that the many people desire for more democracy in reality is a thrust towards anarchy and cause moreover the excessive fragmentation of political forces instead of cohesion which loose power and if coupled with the attachment to the chair of political class determines the existing stagnation!

[Alex840]

For a long time Brazil is a big powderkeg and the R$ 0,20 (US$ 0,10) hikes in the bus and subway fares in São Paulo was only the spark. Here, we live with one of the biggest tax rates of the world, but the government returns us African-level public services. People die every minute in the public hospitals due to lack of investment, teacher's wages are very low, about R$800-1000 (US$ 400-500), the schools are crumbling, politicians raise their wages everytime with exorbitant adjustments, there's no public security, thugs and criminals attacks citizens everytime and the penal law system was so complex, confusing and with many breachs that they escape the jail easily, underages don't pay for crimes they commit, even murder or rape, due a misunderstanding of human rights principles by the brazilian law, all that giving the population a sense of insecurity and impunity (i confess that everytime i go out of my home, to work or study, i feel fear of being robbed and i'm cautious with any stranger that passes me by, as any brazilian do here).

With so many problems, i think these riots are too delayed. The patience of the people is filled up.

I will going to a protest in my city next thursday. I will not miss this great opportunity to make my country a better place to live.

[Whiskey_Sierra_972]

I post the same in a 'banned site' thinking about Brazil but looking at the whole world where people are suffering for too much politician greed!!!

Strange that a more easy communication don't give a more easy organization!

People is stressed between no work and too much taxes and so is prone , rightly , to riot but any democratical organization among those forces is fragmented because thanks to the great amount of knowledge of ideals among the various force; so people , at the end , choose what is better for HIM and not what is stronger for whole THEM!!!

We are living in a society where individual desires are stronger than collettive needs....that's how the great power keepers have enslaved us!!!

Years ago the mass movements were stronger because people was less aware of what the movement in which are involved fully act to , and so supplemented their 'ignorance' about it with the hope , and the fantasy , that their desires are fully represented....a situation nowadays impossible because anyone purchase not the OUR stronger but HIS better!!!

We must do a revolution....well!

Remember that every revolution start before inside us!!!!

Think about it!!!

[Gaston]

You are right, Walter ! now, we live in a world in which the model followed by peoples is INDIVIDUALISM. Peoples are splitted in little parts, making easy the oppressors' work !

In the past, peoples were aware of which social class they were part of... now, they just think about buying the last iPhone model, the last fashion, etc... peoples are enslaved in a materialistic world... making them lose sense of the collective meaning of life... I work in a trade union, and I can see everyday how difficult it is to make new members, convinced by the cause... they come to us only when they are in trouble at work : generally too late... they do not think about the fact that they are stronger together, and they are weaker individualized how the upper class wants it to be !

[singüe]

Is not easy to start a revolution, the first step is to know wath kind of governement we want, or if we do not want any governement al all. Just trhowing stones to the police is not enough, there must be some organization and a clear idea of the goals of the revolution, the means we have to make it and the consecuences, both in case of failure or succes. Here in Spain the people is becoming empoverished faster every day, but no one seems to understand that waiting to the next elections is not going to chage anything. Just a few people understand the true nature of the crisis we are sufering and most organizations offer partial solutions, that in the end are not going to work.

[Oscarito]

I'm still recovering myself from yersterday riot. My bones pain because the truncheons and my eyes are still searing because the gas...
(Despite these annoying shortcomings I was still able to make some explorations around v4.12 patch when I got back to home at dawn after a beer with my comrades at Alfonso's Bar... )
I think you should know what's hapening here and in this sense certainly some images are better than a thousand words. So lets see:

Our homes:


Our schools:


Our hospitals:


Our "presidenta" dedicating another stadium for the FIFA World Cup:


This young mother wrote: "When your baby becomes sick take him to the stadium"


But this old mother did not have enough time to write anything!


Because the "praetorian guards" are still being well remunerated...


Well, this is the situation here. Judge by yourselves.
Another riot is scheduled for today. I hope they don't beat me again because I want to finish a mission I'm building with the new Do-217 as soon as I arrive back to home.

-S!-

PS: I've also posted this at other sites

[santobr]

santobr.

[Avala]

I am very happy to see a discussion like this. To try to explain better, I am making available of all this other video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AIBYEXLGdSg

If thats you, take care, they probably have you on their eye already. And be careful, those people are very serious.

What happens in the world today is not the case of "democracy vs dictatorship" its ordinary people vs the psychopaths congregated in the places of power (and beyond those places) like never before. They are playing the game and they are making the rules for the game. Is there anywhere in the world "someone fighting against someone" you'll find them there. As the old Romans did it with the principle "Dividae et impera" (divide and rule), they do it today.

I would suggest a book Political Ponerology by polish psychiatrist Andrzej M. Lobaczewski. Its not so about politics, its how it is used by the psychopaths.