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Joberg

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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2014, 11:58:04 AM »

Awesome can't wait to try it!
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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2014, 12:38:09 PM »

Amazing! Gio, you are the man! Thanks for yet another GREAT aircraft! Wonderful!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2014, 01:13:37 PM »

Great!
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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2014, 01:42:41 PM »

A very nice surprise, thank you very much Gio !
Just found a little bug in my 5.3 modact, the engine flames are slightly misplaced:

but it doesn't prevent to enjoy this fine plane, thanks again.
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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2014, 01:49:27 PM »

Thank you very much! :)
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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2014, 02:29:01 PM »

Great addition! Many thanks,
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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2014, 04:08:07 AM »

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Vultee-Vengeance     Vultee Vengeance, 1941
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The first RAF squadrons (No. 82 and No. 110) received Vengeances in October 1942.
The first dive bombing missions against Japanese forces were flown on 19 March 1943.
A further two RAF squadrons in Burma received Vengeances, (No. 84 and No. 45), together with two squadrons of the Indian Air Force (IAF) (No. 7 and No. 8).
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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2014, 05:38:22 AM »

Hey Guys,

              From "Aircraft of WW2" , by Chris Chant. (Not a definitive or detailed tome ,it's a pocketbook , but a decent rough guide) :

Early in 1940 Vultee received a French order for a dive bomber , and the contract stipulated the delivery of 300 of these V-72 aircraft by September 1941. France's fall [ 22 June 1940 ] brought a temporary halt to the program , which was revived by British orders for 700 V-72 warplanes with the service designation Vengeance Mk I and II. The USA also bought 200 A-31 (Vengeance Mk III) aircraft for lend-lease transefer tto the UK, and then funded the A-35 with American equipment and greater wing incidence. The A-35 ( 100 aircraft) had the 1600 hp R-2600-11 engine, the A-35A comprised 99 conversions with revised forward firing armament , and the A-35B  (Vengeance Mk IV) comprised 563 further improved aircraft.

Website history of war states :

The Vultee Vengeance dive-bomber was produced in large numbers for the RAF, but was virtually obsolete by the time it entered service, and only served in the Far East. The first British orders were placed in the summer of 1940, when the reputation of the German Stuka was at its peak, but the first production aircraft didn't arrive until the start of 1942, by which time it had become clear that the two-man dive-bomber was very vulnerable to enemy fighter aircraft, and that fighter-bombers were more effective.

Vengeance Mk I

The designation Vengeance Mk I was given to 200 aircraft built by Northrop before the start of the lend-lease scheme. They were given the British serial numbers AN838-999 and AP100-137. Deliveries began in January 1942, and ended on 22 August 1942.

Vengeance Mk IA

The Vengeance Mk IA was the designation given to 200 aircraft built by Northrop after the start of the lend-lease scheme. They had the American designation A-31-NO and the British serial numbers EZ800-999. 99 of these aircraft went to the Royal Australian Air Force, while other aircraft were kept back by the USAAF, where they were designated as the RA-31 (R for restricted flying). The last Mk IA was delivered on 18 Mau 1943.

The Mk IA, II and III were all armed with six 0.30in machine guns, two flexibly mounted in the rear cockpit and four fixed in the wings. They could carry two 500lb bombs in their internal bomb bay as standard and two 250lb bombs at overload weights.

Vengeance Mk II

The Vengeance Mk II was the designation given to the first 500 aircraft built by Vultee, before the start of lend-lease. The first production Mk II flew in December 1941. After the American entry into the war 243 of the 500 aircraft were retained by the USAAF, where they were given the designation V-72. Another 122 went to the RAAF.

Vengeance Mk III

The next 100 Vultee-built aircraft were ordered under lend-lease, and were given the USAAF designation A-31-VN and the British serial numbers FB918-FD117.

Vengeance Mk IV-1

The final batch of British aircraft was based on the A-35B. They were armed with six 0.50in wing guns, and carried under-wing racks that could carry either extra fuel tanks or two more 500lb bombs. The 104 Mk IV-1s were powered by the 1,700hp Wright R-2600-13 Cyclone engine, and had the British serial numbers FD118-221.

Vengeance Mk IV-2

They were followed by 458 aircraft powered by the Wright R-2600-8 Cyclone, and with the British serial numbers FD222-417, HB300-440 and KG810-820. The RAAF received 121 A-35Bs, some of which came from this British production.

Service

No.82 Squadron was the first to convert to the Vengeance, receiving its aircraft at Bombay in August 1942. After a period of training the squadron began to fly anti-submarine patrols on 17 November 1942, before in June 1943 the squadron moved to the Burma front to begin attacks on the Japanese. The squadron operated the Vengeance until the summer of 1944, before withdrawing to convert to the Mosquito.

Although No.82 Squadron had been the first to receive the Vengeance, it was not the first to take it into action. That honour fell to No.110 Squadron, which arrived in India in May 1942. The Vengeance arrived in October, and the squadron began operations over Burma in March 1943. In May 1944 it withdrew to convert to the Mosquito. In August 1944 a detachment of Vengeances was sent to the Gold Coast to take part in mosquito-spraying experiments, disbanding in December.

No.45 Squadron was next to take the Vengeance into action. It had arrived in Burma towards the end of the retreat of 1942, and had been dispersed. The squadron reassembled in India in March, and eventually received the Vengeance, taking it into action for the first time on 27 June 1943 after a long training period. After six months of operations the squadron withdrew to convert to the Mosquito.

No.84 Squadron received its Vengeances in December 1942, but spent all of 1943 in dive-bomber training and didn't begin operations until 16 February 1944. These lasted until July 1944 when the squadron was withdrawn to convert to the Mosquito.

The Vengeance was also used in combat over Burma by Nos.7 and 8 Squadrons of the India Air Force. No.8 Squadron received the aircraft in April 1943, and began operations over Burma on 15 December. These lasted until July 1944, when the squadron withdrew to convert to the Spitfire.

No.7 Squadron, IAF, received the Vengeance in March 1943, but didn’t take it into combat until July 1944, after most other units with the Vengeance had been withdrawn. Operations continued until November 1944, when the squadron withdrew to convert to the Hurricane.

Twelve RAF squadrons used the Vengeance as a target tug. Of these Nos.291, 587 and 667 squadrons used the Vengeance from late in 1944, and No.34 Squadron received in it February 1949, while the remaining eight squadrons received the Vengeance in the spring or early summer of 1945, and operated them until May 1947 at the latest. The Vengeance was also used as a target tug by the Fleet Air Air, serving with Nos.721, 733 and 791 squadrons.


Squadron Dates                 Notes
34           Feb 49                Target Tug
45           Dec 42-Feb 44     Burma
82           Aug 42-Jul 44      Burma
84           Dec 42-Oct 44     Burma
110         Oct 42-Jan 45      Burma
288         May 45-Jun 46     Target Tug
289         Mar 45-Jun 45     Target Tug
291         Nov 44-Jun 45     Target Tug
567         Apr 45-Jun 46     Target Tug
577         Jul 45-Jun 46      Target Tug
587         Oct 44-Jun 46     Target Tug
631         May 45-May 47   Target Tug
667        Oct 44-Dec 45     Target Tug
679        Apr 45-Jun 45     Target Tug
691        Apr 45-May 47    Target Tug
695        Mar 45-May 47    Target Tug
7 IAF      Mar 43-Jul 44      Burma
8 IAF      Apr 43-Jul 44     Burma
 

Vultee Vengeance Mk I (Model 72)
 Engine: Wright GR-2600-A5B-5 Cyclone
 Power: 1,700hp
 Crew: 2
 Wing span: 48ft
 Length: 40ft
 Height: 12ft 10in
 Loaded Weight: 12,480lb
 Max Speed: 279mph
 Cruising Speed: 250mph
 Service Ceiling: 24,300ft
 Range: 1,200 miles
 Armament: Four 0.30in guns in wings and two 0.30in flexibly mounted guns in rear cockpit
 Bomb-load: 1,500lb


In addition , the RAAF flew the Vengeance , in Sqdn No,s 12 , 21 , 23 , 24 , 25.
All these Sqdns except No.25 flew in the New Guinea Campaign.
Aussie Vengeances were withdrawn from Operatiol service  8 March 1944 when it was determined that fighter-bombers were more effective and required shorter runways.


In addition the Free French used 67 Vengeance's in North Africa in 1943 to equip 3 bombgroups (( Which ?)).
The French in haste to get their Vengeance's into service quickly , neglected to make the theatre modifications that the British did on their aircraft , and as a result the French reliability rate was low ,  and the breakdown rate was high with a high oil consumption rate.

According to Wiki , users were :

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 AustraliaRoyal Australian Air Force No. 12 Squadron RAAF
No. 21 Squadron RAAF
No. 23 Squadron RAAF
No. 24 Squadron RAAF
No. 25 Squadron RAAF
No. 3 Communication Unit RAAF
No. 4 Communication Unit RAAF
No. 5 Communication Unit RAAF
No. 6 Communication Unit RAAF
No. 7 Communication Unit RAAF
No. 9 Communication Unit RAAF

 Brazil Brazilian Air Force1st Dive-Bombing Squadron
2nd Dive-Bombing Squadron

 France Free French Air Force GB 1/32 Bourgogne
GB 1/17 Picardie
GB 2/15 Anjon

India British India Indian Air Force No. 7 Squadron IAF
No. 8 Squadron IAF
No.1 Service Flying Training School
No.22 Anti Aircraft Cooperation Unit
No.1 Target Towing Flight

 United Kingdom Royal Air Force No. 45 Squadron RAF
No. 82 Squadron RAF
No. 84 Squadron RAF
No. 110 Squadron RAF
No. 288 Squadron RAF
No. 289 Squadron RAF
No. 291 Squadron RAF
No. 567 Squadron RAF
No. 577 Squadron RAF
No. 587 Squadron RAF
No. 595 Squadron RAF
No. 631 Squadron RAF
No. 667 Squadron RAF
No. 679 Squadron RAF
No. 691 Squadron RAF
No. 695 Squadron RAF

Fleet Air Arm
721 Naval Air Squadron
733 Naval Air Squadron
791 Naval Air Squadron

 United States U.S. Army Air Force
55th Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
56th Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
57th Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
88th Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
309th Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
311th Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
312th Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
623rd Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
628th Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
629th Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
630th Bombardment Squadron (Dive)
631st Bombardment Squadron (Dive)


I have always thought this an interesting aircraft.
Nice to see her here.


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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2014, 08:39:33 AM »

Hi, getting a 60 CTD with this baby, DBW 1.7 on the drive. Tried using the Plane RU and weapons on offer, same result.
Would really like to fly this thing, 90 degree dive, some say the best dive bomber of the war, even more accurate than the Stuka. Allied shift in policy toward FB's rockets and skip bombing doomed a fine design. Would be nice to have the A-36 Apache or Attacker as well, the other American land dive bomber. Anyway I have digressed any help with the CTD.

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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2014, 09:05:27 AM »

I'm having the same problem of  60%, sometimes a 70% CTD. No clue whats wrong. Tried messing with the various FMs, but nothing helped. I'm a big fan of "fringe" warplanes, and have liked this one from my childhood during the war. Many magazine adds of the period touted it's "wonderfulness". I was hooked.

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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2014, 09:25:16 AM »

Maybe a log could help to help you....usually a 60% is into the range of loading planes....I can think about a missing diff.fm or , more probable , you install 412-409 version on a 410 DBW based without change the FM files for the correct version....
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Re: Vultee Vengeance
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2014, 09:39:24 AM »

Plane comes pre-loaded with 409/412 flightmodel. I just checked download and both types of FMs are in their correct folders.

If you are using a 410 based pack like DBW, open the sub-folder named -DBW-410FM and copy the flightmodel from there. Go back to the Vengeance's main folder and paste it, over writing the existing FM.

If you are still getting 60-70% crash you need to confirm you have  DiFF_FM installed.



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