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[David Prosser]

That's good to hear. Keep up the good work.

[greybeard]

Edit:  Looks like my info on this was wrong as it seems the four guns were actually mounted in the nose.

Gunpods are clearly visible under each wing. Photo is labeled "631". It sports Vichy late identification tricolor stripes on wings, so photo must have been taken after 13 December 1941, when those measures where issued (please see below for details).

"DECEMBER 13, 1941
New measures are taken following of fight over the Mediterranean Sea between Italian and French fighters. Because of a bad identification on behalf of the Italien pilots, the Italian Armistice council asks that measures are immediately taken for a better identification of D.520 and Potez 63. However, the Italians see refusing their proposals which would have entailed an improbable bariolage (square roundels, and stripes in all directions).
 
The Commission accepts the French counterproposals of commander of the Air in Tunisia, contained in the note 1/2508:
Deletion of the roundel and the stripe of side;
On the upperside and underside of wings: adoption of stripes 30 cms in width tilted to 30 ° with regard to the longitudinal axis painted with French three-colored, the blue toward the fuselage.
Measures applied from January 18th, 1942, only the planes so marked will be authorized to flying beyond this date.

FEBRUARY 6, 1942
The correction N 66-C / DAT concerning the instruction N 418-C / DAT widens measures taken in December, 1941 for all the planes of the Air Force and the naval Aeronautics in mainland France ( free zone) and in all the territories under the control of Vichy (North Africa, Dakar, Indochina, Madagascar)."

HTH

[Mission_bug]

Hello greybeard, yes I know the Potez 631 had two pods under each wing, the aircraft I mentioned was the Potez 630.

I had read that because initially there had been a supply problem with the cannons that would go in the two fuselage gunpods on the 630 these were fitted with machine guns, at the same time another two were also added to the airframe as well to bolster this weapon loadout.  I thought I had read or seen a photograph that showed a single pod under each wing on Swiss aircraft during this period up until supplies of the cannons was realised, however, it seems that these two additional mgs were in fact in the nose.

I have actually made this mg loadout though, with all the guns actually armed with the Mac 7.5mm, in order to emulate this interim option.  Like the internal bombs on the 633 you can use it if you want or ignore it and just use the existing default.



I am also now looking at removing the existing gun recess from the fuselage 3d and deactivating that particular weapon, not sure when that will get done though.

The centre line rack used on Greek 633s if proving very elusive, I have only seen one very grainy photograph, any drawings or photographs for that would be greatly appreciated


Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[cgagan]

'Hope this helps somehow...

[cgagan]

another photo

[Mission_bug]

another photo

Any info that actually shows the bomb bay is greatly appreciated, thank you very much.

What I need the most is a drawing or photograph that gives enough detail of the external rack that
was used to carry the BE 33 flares, I do not know if that was of French origin or was of local Greek
manufacture.


I am also looking at removing the fuselage recess from the 3d of the Ki-45 and replacing that with
something more appropriate:




I am not entirely sure just where the fuselage mg was on the Potez 633, in the nose or in a single pod underneath the fuselage.

From the images above it would appear it could possibly be in the nose or is that it near the wing root?


Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Dreamk]

Potez 631 is a triplace heavy fighter - not a bomber nor an assault plane
from the Potez 631 - 1940 technical notice:
"Armament:
2 HS9 cannons (as a matter of fact HS404 were mounted) under the fuselage with ammo drums for 60 and 30 shells, + reserve ammo drums, 1MAC34 on a mobile mount for the rear gunner.
2 flares ("bombes éclairantes" under the fuselage (see the photo I posted earlier in this thread) et 2 landing flares ("fusées d'atterrissage) under the wings"
From March 1940 onwards (in fact they were delivered to the units in June 1940, during the fighting) the planes will be equipped with 4 MAC34 MGs in underwing gondolas
In the units, due to the shortage in cannons, the nose gondolas cannons were often replaced by machine guns (1 in each cannon gondola)
Sometimes a third forward firing MG was installed between these gondolas (same installation as for the Potez 633).
Sometimes a rearward firing MGs was added in the rear part of each of these cannon gondolas.

There was no inner bomb bay in this version.

Potez 633 is a light, biplace, level bomber. They have a single forward firing MG under the fuselage, to help the aiming in "vol rasant", and  a mobile MG for the rear gunner
They can receive 2 or 4 MGs in underwing gondolas

On the 633, a vertical bomb bay (8x50kg) was installed on the export versions (Romania and China) and on the Greek export version an horizontal bomb bay was installed, enabling 50kg and 200kg bomb loads (most probably 4x50 or 2x200, as the fuselage was very narrow) - the bomb bay was on the centerline (not excentred as in the Leo45) and bomb bay doors opened to 135 degrees.
All this bomb bay installation was very cramped

[Dreamk]

[Mission_bug]

Thank you very much for the info Dreamk, greatly appreciated.

That looks a superb model is it one of yours?


The next update has now been finalised:

Potez 630 will remain as it is with the two cannon and rear machine gun.

Potez 631 will retain the default option as the 630 but in addition there is
a loadout that includeds two twin gunpods for Mac machine guns.

Potez 633 will retain the existing loadouts.


The gunpods are both set for the main trigger and will also still fire the existing single forward firing mg untill I am able to remove it.


Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[greybeard]

The next update has now been finalised:
Potez 630 will remain as it is with the two cannon and rear machine gun.

I think it does not deserve much more attention, since it didn't play any role in WWII. Looking for Potez 63 family inside 10 May and 5 June 1940 OOB you will find only Potez 631!

Potez 631 will retain the default option as the 630 but in addition there is
a loadout that includeds two twin gunpods for Mac machine guns.

Thanks! This will enhance historical fidelity!

The gunpods are both set for the main trigger and will also still fire the existing single forward firing mg untill I am able to remove it.

I think it is important to retain for wing machine gun gondolas a separate convergence from fuselage cannon, for obvious reasons.

Thanks for your continued commitment in this project.

Regards,
GB

[Bison_M]

Update sept. 2014 Potez 631 and 633 for 4.10 and 4.12. Ver. 1.3




- add 4 Machineguns under the wings for 631
- correct position and color air scoops for 631 and 633


Enjoy!

Mission_bug and Bison_M

[Joberg]

Woooo! Look out stukas!