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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2014, 05:05:54 PM »

Awesome awesome work on the trusty Duck , and I have to shout out to the modders involved who added the markers and arty spotters to the loadout options - these were of among the key applications of float planes in WW2.
Does the spotter loadout include directing naval gunfire ?

Congrats and I hope to see such loadouts considered for other float planes such as Ar196 , PBY , Emily , MBR , Ju52 , F2M , SM506  etc.

Also note that the Germans had an air dropped temporary beacon , see info here :
"...There was at least one naval homing buoy in Luftwaffe use. That was the
Zielmarkierungs-Sender (Target marking transmitter or something) FuG 302 "Schwan-See" (Swan Lake). The FuG 302 looked like a normal bomb and was usually carried on a 250 kg bomb rack. However it was actually a floating radio buoy with a telescoping antenna which extended from the 302's tailcone after the buoy was dropped. The buoy had no braking
device and was therefore released at low altitude and slow speed: max. 300 m, 250 km/h. After the buoy was dropped it sent a radio signal for 10 minutes to enable the launch aircraft; e.g. a FW 200 with a Hohentwiel radar for target acquisition; to check that the buoy was operating correctly. After the initial transmission the buoy stopped transmitting the homing signal until being reactivated after a pre-set
 (1...29 h) delay whereupon the buoy sent the signal again for a longer
 period; ca. 5 hours. To avoid the buoy falling into enemy hands, it was
 sunk with an explosive charge ignited with a long delay time fuze
 El.A.Z. 17 A after a pre-set 2...72 h delay. AFAIK the FuG 302 was the
 only air-dropped naval homing radio buoy used during the war; pyrotechnical buoys and target markers OTOH appear to have been more common in naval use...

....The Germans developed several homing devices, but the one that was used
operationally was FuG 302C "Schwan-See". It was formed as a bomb, but had an
antenna in the tail. Its length was 1.92 m., diameter 34.5 cm.
It was developed in 1942, and first used in the North-sea. It had battery
for 6 hours operation, and had a self-destruction charge. Its range was 20
km from a height of 50m, 50km from 300m and 75km from 600m. From a U-boot
the range was 12 sea-mile.

 Source: F.Trenkle: Bordfunkgeräte,
 Sönke Neitzel: Der Einsatz der Deutschen Luftwaffe über dem Atlantik und der
 Nordsee 1939 - 1945.    ....

...After dropping into water :
1) after 1 x minute it will transmit a test for 5-10 ( pre-set )minute for
 the aircraft to check the buoy
2) then the buoy shut off
 3) after " off " postion of 1 - 29 hours ( pre-set ) it will transmit for 5 x hours
 4) after 2 - 72 hours ( pre-set ) it will self - destruct and sink to the bottom "

This would be an awesome development - it seems the ingredients are already all ingame and working.

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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2014, 10:42:27 AM »

I dropped a Mk34 astern/starboard and close to a moving enemy ship; it did a full 360 around the target,
passed behind it again and hit it on full-starboard! Very cool !  ;D ( near target at 11-O-clock, U on  // course, drop ahead ).

small update (@412) : I attacked a IJN destroyer escaping AA  zigzagging: I put two torpedoes in it, but it kept going.
Then went back ashore/transit on land put the shucks on, reloaded and went back/transit to water
and made another pass. Very cool again!
   8) But on second pass, the destroyer got me ! :P
Fun! Fun! Fun !

Got him. Deadly little plane !

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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2014, 04:02:09 PM »

Cool.  8)

On the next update, Mike, "SAS~Storebror" has worked his magic on the Duck's classfile and now when starting on land, the gear will be down and when starting on water, the gear will be up.  8)

This can be added to another project that may or may not be in the works.... cough cough PBY 5A cough cough.  ;)
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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2014, 12:45:42 AM »

... I really love Mike's magic tricks ...  :P
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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2014, 03:16:44 PM »

New update on first post. Now the landing gear will be down on land scramble missions and up on water scramble missions You still need to use the air brake key to lower or raise them. Also the tail hook has been extended and lowerd to where you should be able to catch the wires on carrier landings better.





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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2014, 03:32:30 PM »

...i add a "-" to old "Duck",and put the latest i my DBW folder,but.......there is'nt cockpit view,something's wrong?
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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2014, 03:35:08 PM »

REMOVE the old Duck folder completely. Even though you put a - in front of the old folder the game can still read the old classfiles and cause a conflict.

 Also add the SAS Common Utills folder to your mods folder.
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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2014, 03:40:28 PM »

REMOVE the old Duck folder completely. Even though you put a - in front of the old folder the game can still read the old classfiles and cause a conflict.

 Also add the SAS Common Utills folder to your mods folder.

..i removed completely but itìs the same..
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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2014, 03:42:51 PM »

What version of the game are you using and please post the bottom part of your log where you start to see the word error.

This works perfectly in my 4.12 SAS ModAct.
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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2014, 03:44:16 PM »

Did you put the SAS Common Utills folder in your mods folder?
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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2014, 04:10:33 PM »

...first answer,yes i put !SAS Common Utils, i've a "log.rtf"

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"[22:06:10] INTERNAL ERROR: Str2FloatClamp() - Clamped 3 -> 2 (delta = -1) to Range 0..2
[22:06:10] INTERNAL ERROR: Str2FloatClamp() - Clamped 5 -> 2 (delta = -3) to Range 0..2
[22:06:10] INTERNAL ERROR: Str2FloatClamp() - Clamped 3 -> 2 (delta = -1) to Range 0..2
[22:06:10] INTERNAL ERROR: Str2FloatClamp() - Clamped 75 -> 32 (delta = -43) to Range 0..32
[22:06:10] INTERNAL ERROR: Str2FloatClamp() - Clamped 120 -> 60 (delta = -60) to Range 0..60
[22:06:10] INTERNAL ERROR: Str2FloatClamp() - Clamped 1024 -> 512 (delta = -512) to Range 1..512"
..this is the "first error" part..
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Re: Amphibious Grumman Duck
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2014, 04:11:25 PM »

Ok, post from there to the bottom.
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