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Mick

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Fancy a ride aboard Bf109 G4 ...?
« on: October 24, 2014, 10:36:11 AM »

... Red 7 after Roskilde Airshow crash ...

Posted by Duggy at A&A  ;)

The crash:



The restored G4 :



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Re: Fancy a ride aboard Bf109 G4 ...?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2014, 10:50:55 AM »

Nice Video , thanks Mick.
Yes , I do fancy a ride. As far as forced landings go , a nice soft wheat field is about as good as it gets , I imagine.
Glad they got her flying again.

I also note for SE aircraft modders to pay attention to the diameter of the prop blade circumference. From the position of the go-pro camera , it fills ( and then some)  the front panel of the canopy. Form the pilots perspective , the circumference would appear even greater ( closer to the object , the object appears larger and fills more of the point of view). In game , most (if not all) SE aircraft props are smaller than the forward panels of their respective windscreens. This is not correct.
I know this is not a large issue , but for me is a serious dampener on immersion.
Hoping that sometime , somewhere , someone with the requisite skills might tackle this little bugaboo.

Kopfdorfer
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Mick

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Re: Fancy a ride aboard Bf109 G4 ...?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2014, 11:13:46 AM »

... yep you are totally right about the prop diameter ...

It is also funny that the prop looks like a 4 blade one (before take off) when it is indeed a 3 blade one ...
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Re: Fancy a ride aboard Bf109 G4 ...?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2014, 01:00:37 PM »

Ok playing the devils advocate....

I checked my 109 props, with J-cats 109s in and running. I think the propeller is just fine as is.

Keep in mind, that the POV of the camera in the vid. is significantly removed from that of the pilot. Its high, rear mounted location restricts its actual "forward view" THROUGH the front panel to a very acute degree, and allows you to see the prop above the upper bar. This gives the illusion of a massive propeller arc. 

The pilots own POV however, is much closer to the front panel and at a lower level, affording a significantly greater angle of view beneath the top bar of the front screen. Also, while you are correct that the closer we move to an object the larger it APPEARS to be, in this case, with the propellor some 2-2.5 meters away from that upper bar, as you move forward in the cockpit, the angle you could "see" would increase faster than the rate at which the propeller diameter APPEARS to grow. The prop arc should fall on or just below that front bar from his POV, as it does in J-Cats 109s in game now.

Also, as the planes in IL-2 are proportional in size, and (for the most part) use historical size and scale data, It would make sense that what would need to change if anything would be the players POV. not a change to the model of the 109. 

Just saying, let the barrage begin..  :D
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Re: Fancy a ride aboard Bf109 G4 ...?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2014, 04:51:19 PM »

The player POV seems right on the planes I fly, mainly P-51ABCDs and P-38s.
But indeed, the prop, compared to its outside size, seems way to small in the pit.

All Mustangs. The real prop is huge.

Lol, same for DCS P-51



Maybe not so wrong after all, dunno. :-\
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