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[Phas3e]

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According the the Me262 production log W.Nr.130026 of 3./KG 51  '9K+AL' was shot down by (probably German) Flak and the pilot Uffz. Schauder was killed.

It was pushed into a bomb crater and filled in, lost untill now.

additional reports claimed it as 'Black F'

[BlackAce7727]

Didn't you skin 9K+AL at one stage? as well as Black F Phas3e?

Mind you, I am impressed with this find, not many Me-262's are looked for, most wrecks found that I see are Pacific aircraft and Battle of Britain types. You do however get the odd Eastern front aircraft found, usually in one piece like the Fw-190A-5 that was found in a forest 5 years ago.

[Typhoon Ib]

it hurts a bit to see them use heavy metal to pull the remains out.
but then again this thing will never fly again, so...
but i could not help but think "careful! mind the metal sheets!!! watch out! not with the big shovel!"

[LuseKofte]

Nice finding, thx for sharing

[marcost]

Interesting, thanks Phas3e

[Knochenlutscher]

You can find 9K+AL skinned in my latest Me262 Skinpack.
Due to things I peeked up in this Vid you can trace an early version updated in my Packs too.

http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads2&file=details&id=6604
http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads2&file=details&id=6605
http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads2&file=details&id=7168

EKdo 262 became ErprKdo/EKdo Lechfeld
EKdo 262 wore Stammkennzeichen + Red tactical Numerals (Red 1 - 21)
ErprKdo/EKdo Lechfeld wore Black tactical Lettering (known Black  A - L)

But it was never one of those claimed surplus black F's. There was only one, that matches,
the well known and photographed 130179, Black F from ErprKdo/EKdo Lechfeld.
Black F was on Strength until disbandment in Oct 1944.
From the others only hearing/saying and not matching Serials (late Production/Logbook Errors).
This detachment was a permanent institution at Lechfeld, providing Training/Conversion facilities. This unit existed until
October 1944 and airframes coded this way never left Lechfeld for combat operations.
After the disbanding, aircrafts of this unit remained within the E-Stellen, Versuchsanstalten.
One plane later was found by Russians in Rechlin (former Black D).


Imagine VI+AZ and red 21 now KG51 took over and at least must have
added some camo to it. We know of 9K+OL (170040), found by british totally crashed,
the engine was taken to UK and 9K+KL (170122) having worn at least grey+greens.
KL was found by US Troops in better condition. These two crashed later.
But as these Guys rip and shred, we'll never know.

Here we see Werkenummer 130026, VI+AZ S21 from the EKdo 262.
From the initial pre-series that started with V6 130001 until 130027 SQ+WA.
The Plane was listed at Lechfeld on 10.August, after this date it moved with the unit to Rheine/Hopsten.
9K+AL didn't took part in the France Adventure of 3./KG 51.
Schauders 130026 never wore Black codes, earlier it had a Stammkennzeichen applied and Red 21 (S21).
We know KG 51 crates not commissioned by EKdo Lechfeld wore either Stammkennzeichen or the KG51 unit code system.
You can trace a patch of RLM 02 primer on the recovered wing covering a Letter from the Stammkennzeichen
 all sources claim this to be an A-2a, now here's evidence
no A-2a Bomber variant, it was indeed A-1a.

But despite this the digging is just a bit poor, it hurts my eyes, they shredd across vital parts with their shovels,
scratching off the last evidence for a lousy hydraulic pump. Such pumps where stored at Rheines dump to hundreds,
but this Wing and paint allocated is more costworthy.

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Sources:
Dan 'O Connel - Me 262-The Production Log
Ultra deciphered German Records:
http://www.ghostbombers.com/kf4/KG%2051/
Picture:
Google Search
Check up the Ghostbombers documents, these are being posted/quoted on 12'OClockHigh Forum, but author not
linked up the mainpage, for whatever reason. By surprise I found them very handy and it came just right to correct some
of my Skins. Have phunn.

Best wishes
Tobias

[henkypenky]

This plane crashed near Elden, and was due to its secret nature, brought to Deelen airbase by the Germans and buried there.

[Benny]

Cool, glad that more are popping up