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[SAS~Skylla]

Edit: IMHO, the MK 103 is more frightening. Lower rate of fire, but higher velocity, and higher-quality parts.

It would be very interesting to compare the destruction level of a MK 108 hit to one caused by MK 103. Although I have looked for pictures / videos for a quite long time now I couldn't find anything compareable. So if anybody has a pic / vid of a hit (best would be a firing test or a single hit so you can compare results) feel free to post it here.

Regards,
skylla

[SAS~Storebror]

The destruction level would be approximately the same unless the target is heavily armoured.
The difference between the MK 108 cartridge (30x98RB) and the MK 103 one (30x184B) is the propellant, the projectile itself is the same.
Due to the faster muzzle velocity, the armor piercing capabilities of the MK 103 are therefor adequally greater (as is the range, and the trajectory benefits a lot from that), but the damage caused by the "Minengeschoß" once the target has been penetrated is the same (*).
Similar goes for the MK 101 which uses the same cartridge like the MK 103, and despite initial development purpose of it's successors the MK 101 still has the highest muzzle velocity of this "team of three", hence the biggest armor piercing capability but the same damage (*) caused on penetrated targets.

*= The damage varies a little due to kinetic energy differences, but that's negligible compared to the HE load of the "Minengeschoß".

Best regards - Mike

[SAS~Skylla]

Good to know, thanks Mike

Regards,
skylla

[VF111Sundowner]

All I want to know is.

How in the hell did our boys still continue to go up day after day mission after mission.
Knowing that the Germans had these types of weapons!!

I feel a sense of pride and honor toward those men!

[Ass Eagle]

MK108 it was ultimate "you have to get close' gun. Low velocity, short flight time.

[Radoye]

How in the hell did our boys still continue to go up day after day mission after mission.
Knowing that the Germans had these types of weapons!!

It's not like they were shooting back with blowguns either, it also took a lot of balls for the Jerry pilot to get near enough to a bomber box so he'd be in range to fire these wonderguns and have the slightest hope to actually score a hit. So the odds were fairly even between the two sides.

Besides, this was the least of their worries, what they all feared the most was the FlaK.

We keep forgetting that in the real war the stakes are extreme. There is no refly button. It was so back in WW2, it is so today, in fact it was so since Uug threw that rock on Ngh in the first human conflict some millions of years ago. War is no game, people die. There is very little glory to be found and a lot of misery. Who is not ready to die should not go to war.

[Typhoon Ib]

nono!

Those who are not ready to die will find ways and means and tricks to send others to war.

[Gaston]

Well... most of the time, men sent to war are not volunteers...

[SAS~Skylla]

[...] it also took a lot of balls for the Jerry pilot to get near enough to a bomber box so he'd be in range to fire these wonderguns and have the slightest hope to actually score a hit. So the odds were fairly even between the two sides. [...]

That's right, here's a quote from a german ace:

Gegen 20 Russen oder ein paar Spitfires zu kämpfen, "macht Spaß" und man beginnt zu vergessen, dass man nicht sicher sein kann, ob man überlebt. Aber ein Verband von 70 Fliegenden Festungen unter dir lässt dein ganzes Leben vor dir ablaufen wie einen Film...

"To fight against 20 russians or some Spits is "fun" and you forget that you can't be sure if you survive. But a formation of 70 flying fortresses lets your live appear as a movie in front of your eyes..."

[Ass Eagle]

A movie becouse you have 910 × .50cals in a formation  of 70 B-17s. 13 x. 50cal in one B17 is formidable enough.
Six 50s is roughly equivalent to two 13mm + one 3cm.

[Typhoon Ib]

Well... most of the time, men sent to war are not volunteers...

you can always choose.
even if it is to run away...
"refractaires"


you always have a choice.
and if your king threatens your family, if you do not follow his "holy" crusade...
your king is nothing but your personal enemy.

never be fooled.

[LuseKofte]

Yes the aircrew from bombers where brave, and so was their opponents . That is the duality of what we do, simulate something 10 000 died doing during the war. Sometimes we need to stop and pay respect to those young men and wemen died for their countries