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Gaston

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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2014, 10:53:31 AM »

you can always choose.
even if it is to run away...
"refractaires"
;)

you always have a choice.
and if your king threatens your family, if you do not follow his "holy" crusade...
your king is nothing but your personal enemy.

never be fooled.

Well... true... but... easier said than done !
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2014, 10:59:44 AM »

you can always choose.
even if it is to run away...
"refractaires"
;)

Jean-Paul Sartre ... now we're going into philosophy ... never thought of this when starting a topic 'bout the destruction level of MK 108 ... good job guys  ;)

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skylla
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2014, 11:01:53 AM »

I saw a program by Jeremy Clarcson, he had one about those earning the VC (Victoria cross) . Very few aircrew got it, because getting home with your crew had a tiny bit of self conservation in it.
you can always choose.
even if it is to run away...
"refractaires"
;)

you always have a choice.
and if your king threatens your family, if you do not follow his "holy" crusade...
your king is nothing but your personal enemy.

never be fooled.

Well... true... but... easier said than done !
Yes but being a deserter in ww2 meant certain death or a mark as a lack of valor rest of your life, witch can be even worse. Those who did turn back never did a evaluation, they panicked, witch anyone can do given the condition on oneself and situation
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2014, 11:13:45 AM »

Six 50s is roughly equivalent to two 13mm + one 3cm.
What makes you think this?
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2014, 11:22:53 AM »

Six 50s is roughly equivalent to two 13mm + one 3cm.
What makes you think this?
Research. And some of the most authoritative experts in the field. People who breath, eat, and dream about these things.  Data, Data, Data compiled from American, British, and German testing. Search wwiiaircraft .net or the LEMB forums.
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2014, 11:53:44 AM »

Maybe you could help me out with a few links to relevant sources, thanks.
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2014, 12:53:11 PM »

amazing!
Dou you guys see what he just did there?
that was top notch, man...
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2014, 12:59:22 PM »

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Yes but being a deserter in ww2 meant certain death or a mark as a lack of valor rest of your life, witch can be even worse. Those who did turn back never did a evaluation, they panicked, witch anyone can do given the condition on oneself and situation

it is a choice.
i am not saying "solution".
even death is a choice - not easy to implement, but possible.

and screw Valor.
we humans are scum compared to what we think we are. we should not even dare to have things like "valor" in our dictionary.
we think we are Gods, and will develop omnipotence... But animals we are and remain, Bakteria, fungus, spreading over this planet like a rotting apple.

back to mental chess moves and 108's in 109's
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2014, 01:02:27 PM »

I have flown the Bf-110G-2 with the Mk-108 installed, and because of the recoil it slows the plane down by at least 2 knts a shot!  ??? The Bf-109 is just inaccurate with that thing! Its not even possible to get close to a 17 without getting your engine shot to pieces!  :-X
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2014, 01:14:39 PM »

They did a check about the 20 mm minegeshos vs 303 ammo from a Hurrycane after BOB and found the punch from a Hurrys 8 guns witch was very close mounted in right convers distance did equal  as the 20 mm in terms of effectiveness, but they said the compare was not relevant. Since a ACE could put more 20 mm rounds than the test applied did. And the many guns in the hurry meant only 12 second of fire, when if I remember correctly 60 20 mm shots and over a minute burst of 7,6 mm mg in a 109
This was done since a earlier test showed the difference between 1 shot 303 and a 20 mm cannon shell.

This pretty much set the end of english comparing cannonshells to ordinary mg salvos. What you say Ice is eh not true. The effectiveness is where you hit and from what distance. and how many bullets do hit. There have been no research done in this manner, the research has always been what to arm the planes with, what mission and what to wear. Never ever have there been one for comparing cannons vs 50 cal. it is just too many parameters to consider
However, USAAF found that 6 50 cal guns would be sufficient and make things easier in terms of logistics. and then you are into a different manner and different discussion. It is the same like saying 90 % octane is as good as 100% octane since the planes operating in France after the invation used 90% octane. They did it because that was the octane used by the tank´s and logistics would be easier.
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2014, 02:41:05 PM »

Of course accuracy and distance come into play. Hence almost equal when the factors are played in. Some Spitfire pilots were such a crack shot, that they converges their cannons and .303s to a single point, Hartmann on the other hand, wasn't a good shot and had to come close to his prey.. very close.


Varying opinions:
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/weapons-systems-tech-/20mm-cannon-worst-specs-comparison-lmg-hmg-etc-29624.html

Comparison opinions:
http://users.skynet.be/Emmanuel.Gustin/fgun/fgun-pe.html
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Re: The consequence of a MK 108 hit...
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2014, 04:18:02 PM »

On the valor v self preservation argument I offer that the men in question feared being found a coward more than death itself. No man will act outside of self preservation in cases where self preservation alone is the only factor, but that is seldom the case. Courage is doing your job or what is necessary in spite of the fear.

Sorry Typhoon, but your opinions on valor are silly and spurious and I would never even consider relying on you for anything more than delivering a pizza based on that alone.

I'm sorry if my words are harsh, but you belittle the sacrifice of every man that ever aspired to something greater than himself.   
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