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[Dreamk]

Torpedoes Historical Background - part 1 Japanese torpedoes
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,46485.msg517279.html#msg517279

Torpedoes Historical Background - part 2 Soviet torpedoes
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,46486.msg517289.html#msg517289

[Piotrek1]

Hello everyone.I did not notice the lack of GB1 in the arming screen because I focused on the other aircraft , tried to find a solution and I think it worked.
I added to "weapons' these two lines:
B-17F.1xGB1                             1xGB1
B-17F.8x1000x2x2000                 8x1000 + 2x2000 lb. Bombs

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before:
#####################################################################
# B-17F
#####################################################################
B-17F.default                              Default
B-17F.16x20FragClusters              16x20 Fragmentation Bombs
B-17F.16x500                             16x500 lb. Bombs
B-17F.8x1000                             8x1000 lb. Bombs
B-17F.none                                Empty

after:
#####################################################################
# B-17F
#####################################################################
B-17F.default                             Default
B-17F.16x20FragClusters             16x20 Fragmentation Bombs
B-17F.16x500                            16x500 lb. Bombs
B-17F.8x1000                            8x1000 lb. Bombs
B-17F.1xGB1                             1xGB1
B-17F.8x1000x2x2000                 8x1000 + 2x2000 lb. Bombs
B-17F.none                                Empty
but in the arming screen I have something like this:

and in the game ..

I hope it will help.
Sorry for my english.
Best regards,
Piotrek

[Dreamk]

As a matter of fact the line must be (you have 2 GB-1 bombs, although I made a mistake in calling this array 1xGB1):

B-17F.1xGB1                             2xGB1

[Piotrek1]

hmm .. after changing on 2xGB1 nothing has changed in the arming screen, perhaps the reason (that it works) is that the all files I placed in one folder !! AerialMinesCods before the  ! SAS_Engine_Mod.

Best regards,
Piotrek

[Dreamk]

It's indeed strongly advised to call ALL armament folders, including Aerial Mines and Aerial torpedoes with names beginning by _! so they load before other mods.

There is some mystery bug about the flying B17F in SAS Modact 5.30.

It is supposed to be part of the in SASmodact 5.30 AI flying planes, however when I wanted to make the new cod files for torpedo equipped planes, it did not appear as flyable in my installation, till I included the hashed file of the B_17F.class - that I extracted from the SAS Flyable AI Classes - in the folder called !_AerialTorpedoesCods, so as to make the plane appear as flyable.

What makes things stranger is that, after checking my installation (Vanilla 4.2 + SAS Modact 530), it appears that the Flyable AI Classes folder, containing this same hashed file, was already presentboth in my mods folder (#SAS) and in the jsgmemods/#SAS_Flyable AI Aircraft/#SAS folder, being (supposedly) activated by JSGME.
And indeed, after testing, this folder appears in my mods (#SAS) folder after being activated in JSGME, and disappears when desactivated through JSGME.
All the other Flyable AI work fine - this one is a problem.

Then I ran classcheck utility in my mods folder, looking for multiple example of the hashed B17F.class (B428F156CF51BBE4) - it appears only in the !_AerialTorpedoesCods folder and in the Flyable AI Classes folder. Strange.....

[Piotrek1]

I agree, tried a few options and even I created from  !! AerialMinesCods new SFS file (my game has 92.5 GB! ???) and everything worked except the B-17.

Thanks for the detailed information that you have provided about torpedoes and their use by individual countries.
Best regards,

Piotrek

[Dreamk]

It appears that I did not need to wait long to see confirmation of what I stated a few posts ago in this thread - the 41.3 patch includes 3 new Soviet torpedoes...based of a schema of the Il4T equipment from Modelist Konstructor from 1985 that has been religiously copied by various web sites and books dealing with the Il-4 - the problem being that the article may be quite good concerning the Il-4, but for torpedoes it's not really a good source (the mistaken identification of the 45-36AN with the Sagayduk stabilizator as 45-36AM is characteristic of this source - teh 45-36AM was a postwar torpedoes on the basis of captured German F5W).
Such small mistakes are a pity, as 413 had some very good things inside, to begin with the Bombsights by ut2 - that allow now to use them as in their real models for Telemetry (calculating real time TAS) Exploration (by allowing to orient the bombsight in azimuth and elevation) as well as Bombing. Ut2 has made a very good job, following the Babychev's book (the best book available on ww2 bombsights, although its scope is naturally limited to bombsights used on the Eastern front). The Goetz Boykow of the Pe8 is a marvel - the system was used by the Dutch, the Australians (ex-KNIL aircarft), the Japanese and the French among others. Not very relevant to torpedo bombing but great for bombing.

[Mad026]

hi

I tried to activate this in my 4.10 DBW 1.71 and 4.12CUP installation with no luck. In the case of the 4.10: the game did not start, no CTD, it just did not start. In the case of 4.12 the game started without problems, but nothing happened, the new loadouts didn't appear.  I would like to ask that did I miss something? I mean an instruction about this.

The aerial mines mod works in both of my installations without problems.

Thanks for your help!!


P. S. I would like to congratulate t DreamK!  You are doing a great job please never stop!

[Dreamk]

In 4.10 SASModact 3.06 and in 4.12 SSModact 530 the pack works without problems.
I'll advise to download once again and re-install all the folders in your #SAS folder
I have no way to test DBW17 and 412CUP.
For 413, presently, in the folder called !_AerialTorpedoesCods you have files relating to aircraft included in the AI Flyable - and they are currently absent from the 413 air.ini, so wait till we'll get very soon a new AI flyable version suited to 413. I tested the torpedo mother class in 413 - apparently it does fine there.
Can you post your logs to try and understand what happens.

[Mad026]

the 4.10 DBW don't create log file in this case, if I start the game it's just flash in the " in that window which shows your running programs" and than it's disappear.

In 4.12 I didn't try that, i will reinstall the mod then see if its say something in the log file.

[Dreamk]

Try installing in DBW without the folder " !_AerialTorpedo_class_upgraded ". There may be a conflict on the HUD display of the messages at the origin of the crash. It's teh only thing I can think of as the torpedoes can use the regular torpedo class if this upgraded class is not present (I've adjusted the calculations for the data in each torpedo class so that, in practice, the result is the same.)

[Epervier]

I am surprised by your request here in this post!
Personally I find this kind of request would be more judicious in the post of He-177 and not here!