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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1164 on: January 24, 2017, 06:42:40 AM »

Mig KSK ? Manned version of the cruise missile KS-1 Kometa ?

That one is pretty obscure to say the least, I'm not even sure of its exact designation! Any additional infos will be welcome.

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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1165 on: January 24, 2017, 07:00:18 AM »

Absolutely correct Alexandre, congratulations, your turn!

Since you've asked for background information, here it is.
The KS-1/KSK manned "Kometa" was a side product of the guidance test platform "MiG-9L / FK", closing the gap between that guidance testbed and the final unmanned "Kometa".

From "Soviet X-Planes", Yefim Gordon & Bill Gunston, published in 2000 by Midland Publishing, ISBN 1 85780 099 0
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MIG-9L, FK
Purpose: To test the guidance system of a cruise missile.
Design Bureau: OKB-155 of AI Mikoyan.
In late 1947 the Kremlin ordered the development of a large cruise missile which could be launched (primarily against ships) from the Tu-4. Because of the importance of this project it was assigned to a joint team formed by OKB No 155 (MiG) and a new semi-political group called SB-1 (Special Bureau Nol). The OKB assigned one of the founders, M I Gurevich, as titular head, but the Chief Designer was A Ya Bereznyak who has figured previously on page 29 of this book. Head of SB-1 was S L Beria, son of the formidable Politburo member who in 1953 succeeded Stalin. In fact, SB-1 faded from the scene, as it had little to contribute, though it did have P N Kusenko as Chief Designer. Under intense pressure a swept-wing turbojet-engined missile was created, which later went into production as the KS-1 Komet. In early 1949 its guidance system was tested in an Li-2 (Soviet derivative of the DC-3), and later in that year a more representative system was tested in the FK (also called MiG-9L, Laboratoriya). This was too large to be carried aloft by a Tu-4, so it formated with the Tu-4 parent aircraft and thence simulated the missile on its flight to the target. Subsequently this aircraft was used to test different cruise-missile guidance systems, assisted by the K-l, a manned version of the KS-1 missile.
Aircraft FK was a modified MiG-9 twin-jet fighter, the first type of turbojet aircraft to fly in the Soviet Union. Features included a straight-tapered wing of laminar profile of 9% thickness with large slotted flaps and Frise ailerons, a pressurized cockpit ahead of the wing, a ground-adjustable tailplane mounted part-way up the fin, a nosewheel retracting forwards and main landing gears retracting outwards, and a nose inlet feeding air to two RD-20 turbojets (Soviet copies of the German BMW 003A, each rated at 800kg, l,7641b, thrust) mounted under the wing with jet nozzles under the trailing edge. The final production series had an ejection-seat, and the FK was from this batch. The heavy nose armament of three NS-23K guns and all armour were removed, and the fuselage was extended by splicing in an extra section accommodating an unpressurized rear cockpit with a side-hinged canopy for the guidance-system operator. As in the Komet, the missile's radar dish antenna was mounted above the nose, and a receiver antenna was mounted on the leading edge of each wing. Above the fin was a streamlined container housing the aft-facing transmitter and receiver antennas for the radio-command guidance from the parent aircraft after launch. Once the autopilot had set the correct course the nose radar homed on the parent's radar signals reflected back from the target. Nearer the target the missile's own radar became active, steering by signals received by the leading-edge antennas.
So far as is known, the FK played a valuable role in the development of one of the world's first turbojet cruise missiles. So did the KSK, a piloted version of the missile itself.

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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1166 on: January 24, 2017, 11:06:20 AM »

Thanks for the infos! At one moment I was a bit confused about what was what. The path to find that one was rewarding  :)

I will try to post something tomorrow (GMT).

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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1167 on: January 25, 2017, 02:52:49 AM »

I am freezing, so let's stay frozen...



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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1168 on: January 26, 2017, 07:26:30 AM »

If no one else volunteers, it's a Lavochkin La-174TK from 1948.

http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/la-174tk.php
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1169 on: January 26, 2017, 08:15:09 AM »

Sounds reasonable, let's wait for Alex' opinion :)
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1170 on: January 26, 2017, 11:30:10 AM »

Sniperton is perfectly right !

I really like these early russian jet design.

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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1171 on: January 26, 2017, 02:31:07 PM »

Yep, it looks like a pregnant V-1 with cockpit  ;)

What about this?



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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1172 on: January 27, 2017, 10:10:46 AM »

What about this?

I dunno what it is, but it's obviously a Curtiss prototype, likely between XP-46 and -60...
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1173 on: January 27, 2017, 10:40:38 AM »

What about this?

It's the Avia B.35 fighter built in Czechoslovakia in 1938 ; I remember having seen the B.135, some improved version with metal wings, here in an old thread : https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,13659.0.html.
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1174 on: January 27, 2017, 11:04:08 AM »

It's not the Avia, even though it shows up on certain websites as such. B.35 had a two-blade propeller, the shape of the radiator intake is all wrong, and also the cockpit.

I'm not sure what it is, but if you compare this one photo of "Avia" with any other known photos of either B.35 or B.135 the differences are obvious.
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Re: Quest: Guess what is depicted here
« Reply #1175 on: January 27, 2017, 11:08:49 AM »

What about this?

I dunno what it is, but it's obviously a Curtiss prototype, likely between XP-46 and -60...

LOL I think I'm going blind! I could have sworn the black letters on the fuselage said Curtiss! Whyever... *Squinting* yes, it says Avia on the side.  :P
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