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nyali

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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2015, 11:24:27 AM »

Friendly Man-Hug back Captain Diavolo ;D

Storebror - There have ALWAYS been and will always be friendly people who are reasonable and get on well together online, otherwise sites like this would NEVER have been formed in the first place, however just like in life, EVERYONE notices the loudmouth or wrongdoer rather than the quiet masses that form the majority in all cases.

Worse than that, in life and in many places on the internet, we the quiet masses are usually overlooked as everyone tries to placate the ones that make the most noise. In many cases , here too , you often hear the words " We give you another chance "

sorry for the slight ramble  ;)
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2015, 12:59:40 PM »

this appears to me as a classic case of the other sites admin have allowed for to long mudslinging,name calling and petty jealousies to fester,instead of stepping in and calling for a bit of sanity and steady thinking. honouring a truce and looking for ways to improve intersite relations,And as a result has allowed the whole sorry mess descend into criminality,leaving storebror and co with little option but to prosecute those responsible,a very sad outcome to a situation allowed to spiral out of control by the other sites admin turning a blind eye to its own members activities and saying nothing.  kev.
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2015, 01:09:36 PM »

A very good summary of the current situation... except to add that far from turning a blind eye the site owner actively encourages and participates in it.



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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2015, 01:35:09 PM »

Hi Guys

I visited Mike (Storebror) In Germany two weeks ago, and we spent about 3 days, much of it talking about IL2 and SAS. It was awesome to meet face to face after all the years, and to see how our views of this site and it's people and philosophy still matches exactly.

We can never loose in any of these inter-site type of things, because we are here for one thing, and one thing only: To have a place where modders of IL2 can do their thing. Nothing else. That has been the reason this place was started so many years ago, and the reason it will be here until the last modder of IL2 switches of the lights and shuts the door.

When other sites and forums are started for modding IL2, we LIKE it. It is great for the game. It is always heartbreaking when some places go off on the very human "one site to rule them all" tangent. We have seen this many times over the years, and always with the same sad result for them, and never requiring any action from our side at all. But other than that, the more people out there modding IL2, regardless of where they put their mods, the better for us all. And for us, that is really all there is to it.

Sometimes, like this time, another place's problems have infringed on us, and this is sad and frustrating. But at the end of it, we are still here, and we will be, until the day comes when none of us play this game anymore. Because we are here for the game. People who are out for "control", will always in the end destroy themselves, because, in reality, how can that ever be achieved? And why would you want it? The reason this old game still kicks ass is not because anyone controlled modding, it is because places like this made a space,then stood back and let it happen.

But one must also remember: We are the human race, and people are wildly different, and some of them are also completely crazy, and you have to be at peace with that and not forget that crazy has led to as many good things in the world as bad. This is true of IL2 as well. Some of the weirdest people have made some of the best contributions over the years. So when people go bat shit crazy, we can usually just sit on the sidelines and hope that some good stuff for the game comes out of it. But once in a while a little bit of bat shit can fall on one's shirt of course.  :D

Shitty, but there it is...it happens.  ;D

So Mike and myself's advice to everyone who has, or may in future have, their own little club/forum/site for IL2, or who chooses to be here at this forum, is this:

Just fly and mod. WTF else are we here for? :D

Cheers everyone
Piet

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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2015, 02:29:28 PM »

How about SAS just ignores the whole pile of shit from "them"
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2015, 02:35:43 PM »

Hey Piet! That was a great piece of wisdom!

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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2015, 02:51:13 PM »

Thanks Piet, well said.

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How about SAS just ignores the whole pile of shit from "them"

As you have seen recently, we do exactly that.. regardless of what happens or is posted on other sites.  We are only interested in ensuring that this site is the sort of place that members can enjoy, not just grab a mod and run - although that is fine as well.

However when someone illegally hacks into an account here and removes/steals personal files as well as mods under development we have to investigate.... and we will go where the trail leads ... or I should say, has already lead in many cases.

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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2015, 03:01:32 PM »

3 days off, getting back and finding this...
I strongly support the "just fly and mod" attitude. Sad as these events like hacking accounts are, like I said before, personally, IL-2 and mods are a way of getting along with my own pile of RL trouble, I so hope other guys will feel like I do and find a way to live and let live-and see what IL-2 and mods are about. Fuck, if someone grabbed one of my mapmods and released it elsewhere I would even feel honoured, as much work as I put into some of these and with all the frust it generates when few people fly them.

It is a 12 year old-or even 14 year old sim, modding just tolerated by the big Oleg, so come on guys, get real and drop the BS.

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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2015, 04:19:45 PM »

A couple of observations about this situation. I found the FM mod of the F7F would not install in my game without several unfamiliar procedures. I deleted it. The subsequent SAS version installed very smoothly, with no unfamiliar procedures.

The SAS Version clearly identified the origin of the mod as being from FM via Alphasim. It reprinted the FM Readme file which identified, by name, the modders from FM, and gave them full credit for their work.

My installation experience amply justified the SAS claims of "tweaking", "adjusting", and modifying the FM mod. Although I did detect a small amount of smugness in that part of the SAS announcement, which I suspected might elicit a response.

It is just a f@#$%ing game.

One particular individual, who was not listed in the original mod team for the F7F, went absolutely berserk, and personally attacked SAS members by name in an very coarse, vulgar, and offensive manner. His venom reach incoherent levels of rage.

I haven't heard anything like it since high school, and I'm now well into senior citizenship. I went to a big city high school, and this guy would have been taken care of quickly and comprehensively in my school. Such methods are not acceptable to mature, rational people, however. Should the Admin feel it beneficial, following legal consultation, I don't think that the filing of a criminal complaint would be inappropriate.

There does seem to be a level of condoning of this behavior by the FM Admin. In my opinion they should have sat on this individual.

There has been a very creative and beneficial contribution to the community from the FM site. There is a lot of talent there. There are also some people who have been very helpful to me. They have my gratitude. As many on this site have repeatedly said, their work has been a positive influence for the community, For this they deserve our respect. Some other over there seem to feed on controversy, however. Stirring shit seems to be their true hobby. SAS has rightly shunned such activity.

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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2015, 04:36:33 PM »

Thank you.

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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2015, 05:39:29 PM »

This is a great flying game and it has given me many years of enjoyment and pleasure.
Unfortunately there are always some very sour people in this world who only get their pleasure from
destroying a good thing.
Those idiots will never amount to anything in life.
They are NOBODY. TOTAL LOSERS IN LIFE.
I am not going to spend my time on this bullshit all over again.



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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2015, 06:00:36 PM »

Thanks Max. I know you have also been the subject of a campaign of abuse from the same twisted individual.  I find it hard to understand why anyone has act like that, but then we are just trying to run a civilized and productive site, dedicated to open modding... no huge ego issues or fake copyright claims and more importantly .. no promoting or condoning illegal practices... 

But I guess what you see there is the price you have to pay for putting all of your rotten eggs in one basket.

                                            However, the important thing is ...  they are no longer visible here.

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