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[benitomuso]

ver. 1.3 at first post

It will require a couple of improvements on the Engine MOD to work properly. They have been worked out. Soon will be realeased. To know:

-Proper passive front steering wheel.
-One Button (single brake) emulation of Full Differential two Buttons (double brake) when they don't exist.
-Chocks MOD.

Regards,
                 Pablo

[Koty]

ver. 1.3 at first post

It will require a couple of improvements on the Engine MOD to work properly. They have been worked out. Soon will be realeased. To know:

-Proper passive front steering wheel.
-One Button (single brake) emulation of Full Differential two Buttons (double brake) when they don't exist.

Regards,
                 Pablo

the latter should be already implemented, as it is IL-2's default for most planes... (untill 4.12 all tailwheeled planes with brakes)

But what I would really love to see is front wheel locking.

[benitomuso]

ver. 1.3 at first post

It will require a couple of improvements on the Engine MOD to work properly. They have been worked out. Soon will be realeased. To know:

-Proper passive front steering wheel.
-One Button (single brake) emulation of Full Differential two Buttons (double brake) when they don't exist.

Regards,
                 Pablo

the latter should be already implemented, as it is IL-2's default for most planes... (untill 4.12 all tailwheeled planes with brakes)

But what I would really love to see is front wheel locking.

Koty,
          the real Differential Brakes as implemented in most Russian Planes is a mode specified in FMs by DiffBrakes=3. If it is properly specified like that, the front wheel doesn't move in game except when your plane turns, something that only happens with real Left Brake / Right Brake independent controls. As this is not the case of most of us, in these planes you were unable of turning the plane on taxing, so I've added for this mode (pure differential DiffBrakes=3) an effect of turning only if you turn the rudder and single brake is detected. This will be added in new Engine MOD, plus my chocks with land assistants.

  Regards,
                  Pablo

[4S_Vega]

ver. 1.3 at first post

It will require a couple of improvements on the Engine MOD to work properly. They have been worked out. Soon will be realeased. To know:

-Proper passive front steering wheel.
-One Button (single brake) emulation of Full Differential two Buttons (double brake) when they don't exist.

Regards,
                 Pablo

the latter should be already implemented, as it is IL-2's default for most planes... (untill 4.12 all tailwheeled planes with brakes)

But what I would really love to see is front wheel locking.

Koty,
          the real Differential Brakes as implemented in most Russian Planes is a mode specified in FMs by DiffBrakes=3. If it is properly specified like that, the front wheel didn't move in game except whdn you had real Left Brake / Right Brake independent controls. As this is not the case of most of us, in those planes you weren't able of turning the plane on taxing, so I've adde for this mode (pure differential DiffBrakes=3) an effect of turning only if you tuern the rudder and sible brake is detected. This will be added in new Engine MOD, plus the my chocks with land assistants.

  Regards,
                  Pablo

Actually that code is not in FM, because it give null when load mission, for now is always 0

[Yaroslav]

Thanks new version is awesome, Regards

[Koty]

okay then benito

gonna try it when I find time...

[SAS~Tom2]

ver. 1.3 at first post

It will require a couple of improvements on the Engine MOD to work properly. They have been worked out. Soon will be realeased. To know:

-Proper passive front steering wheel.
-One Button (single brake) emulation of Full Differential two Buttons (double brake) when they don't exist.

Regards,
                 Pablo

the latter should be already implemented, as it is IL-2's default for most planes... (untill 4.12 all tailwheeled planes with brakes)

But what I would really love to see is front wheel locking.

Koty,
          the real Differential Brakes as implemented in most Russian Planes is a mode specified in FMs by DiffBrakes=3. If it is properly specified like that, the front wheel doesn't move in game except when your plane turns, something that only happens with real Left Brake / Right Brake independent controls. As this is not the case of most of us, in these planes you were unable of turning the plane on taxing, so I've added for this mode (pure differential DiffBrakes=3) an effect of turning only if you turn the rudder and single brake is detected. This will be added in new Engine MOD, plus my chocks with land assistants.

  Regards,
                  Pablo

Let me see if I understand you right:
That means the Mig will only turn when you activate both left OR right brake/pedal AND move the rudder? As for me e.g. it is as follows:
One set of keys (left right arrow) for differential toe brake and the rudder completely independent on my joystick.

So that would mean I have to use both my stick AND the Arrow key of choice at the same time, making turning even MORE complicated?

IMHO the best thing would be simply assigning it to the rudder, as in effect, if you hit the right toe break e.g., that IS rudder if I am not mistaken. On an F-16, eg., you have a so called "pinky switch" which allows to switch rudders on the ground to steering.

Hope I get this right, if I have to use both functions, steering on the ground becomes a tad impractical.

Cheers

Tom

[Koty]

No, press B and steer the rudder.

EDIT: Also, in this case the differential brakes will act as collective.

EDIT2: And... the earlier migs did too work this way   As for MiG-23 and later, they had steering wheel.

EDIT3: MiG-21 (and any other soviet plane until Su-35!! LOL) did not have separate axis for differential brakes. The pressure was changing only with lever or knipel (or "yoke" if you want...) and was distributed with rudder deflection. That is different to for example Bf-109 (or mentioned Su-35) where the brakes are fully differential, on peddals, as toe brake.

[SAS~Tom2]

My steering works exactly the old way Koty.
 


A couple of issues I noticed, tested with Mig-21PFM and PF. I WILL retest this tomorrow and make sure to have the proper install order. 


Those definately where not there in the previous 2 packages at least and now re-occoured, old bugs:

If you have a mission with turbulence set, e.g. at stage 1.
You takeoff, turn, enter the turbulence altitude a couple of times from various altitudes :
I noticed an old behaviour (PF/PFM here) with these new packages since March, you have to be very sensitive to spot it, but it is there--and was not there with the previous 2 versions:

When you have turblulence set to stage 1 or 2 and enter the altitude in which the turbulence occours, the jet will shake differently than usual.
Typically now is a fast right (or left) wing rock/jinking, normal would be the airframe shaking more balanced from nose to tail..the wing rock will occour over the envelope of the low alt mission, but typically the start of the turbulence alt is marked with that hectical fast right or left wing rock, subtle but there. (It can also occour when you make a sharp turn and level out inside the turbulence zone.)

And the sharp wing rock will also occour in such missions frequently if you are at higher altitude, make a sharp turn, e.g. right, level out and push the nose down, maybe not the first time but it will come, boom, a fast spin right or left.
Mostly right first.

In a previous mission later followed by the old out of control (left) right spin at lower altitudes when coming from a high alt dive.

  You "have to" fly more than a 10 min mission to get all the effects I mean:

I will record a track tomorrow

Relatively sure this is not tripping and directly related to some change from the last version and it is exactly what older versions of the 2015 upgrade had.

The rest rocks! Will also try the new FM inside the old pack and see what I get. And reconfirm my load order is correct.

IN any case many thanks to Vega for his constant work!

 
Greets/Cheers

Tom

[benitomuso]

No, press B and steer the rudder.

EDIT: Also, in this case the differential brakes will act as collective.

EDIT2: And... the earlier migs did too work this way   As for MiG-23 and later, they had steering wheel.

EDIT3: MiG-21 (and any other soviet plane until Su-35!! LOL) did not have separate axis for differential brakes. The pressure was changing only with lever or knipel (or "yoke" if you want...) and was distributed with rudder deflection. That is different to for example Bf-109 (or mentioned Su-35) where the brakes are fully differential, on peddals, as toe brake.

Koty,
             it seems that you have very clear the way the brakes on Soviet planes used to work. The Engine MOD has these four modes:

0   Standard: Active Front Wheel Steering, controlled by Rudder
1   Common: Passive Front Wheel Steering, Rudder/Brake and Pedal action
2   Combined: Passive Front Wheel, Rudder plus Left/Right Brakes Difference
3   Differential Toe Brakes: Left/Right Brakes Difference only (simulated if none)
4   Common Rudder: No Pedals Effect (Spitfire and Yak style)

What of those 5 would be the correct for these?:

MiG-15:
MiG-17:
MiG-19:
MiG-21 (different between models?):
Su-7:
Su-9:
Su-15: 
Su-25:

Many thanks in advance.

Regards,
                      Pablo

[SAS~Tom2]

Can someone please test if he or she gets the aileron fast jinks as well:
Areas where it appears in my install:

When turbulences are checked in a mission, inside the turbulence area. Typically fast left right movements or erratic jinking left right when pushing the nose down-less frequently.

When being at higher altitudes and strongly pushing the nose down, frequently.

Sometimes when coming out of a turn.

Anyway, my solution:
Use the previous Mig-21 package and Weapons Mod and the NEW Mig-21 FM file, problem solved.
And always recall: Only a sim. All I am interested is a tad feedback, and only for those Mig fans who fly the Mig on a frequent basis anyway.

(PS Last day I tested out it is not FM related but classfile related. At least for me.)

[MarvinT]

Greetings SAS team. Great work on this v1.3 Pack. The only  (minor problem ) problem I observed is with the drag chute on the MiG-21Bis. When deployed  it is at about a 45 degree angle from the runway and half open. The drag chutes on the other MiG-21s work perfectly. Landing  with this pack is a breeze! I tested each version 3X. Love the landing gear fix. Great work!  Then again you know your work is good!