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[Scharnhorst1943]

Running 4.12.2 with CUP and WAW

I am not posting a log file because the game does not crash. What happens is the bombsight for certain planes do not work. More specifically the entire bombadier position is outside the airplane, or in an odd place like inside an engine or the bombbay (Not where it is supposed to be). Or the bombadier position is fine, but when SHFT+F2 to look into the bombsight ... it zooms in like the reticle, but no bombsight.

I will post pics in a bit.

I don't know if this is an issue with my install, or if these planes need to be updated to be compatable with 4.12.2. Didn't Diadalos team update the bombsights? I am new to 4.12.2 and just made the jump from 4.10.1+DBW.

I have gone through the entire plane list with planes I know to have bombsights ... for the below planes,

B24D (don't know if this is stock or mod version in CUP)
A20C (which is weird because this plane is stock)
Martin B10
PBY
B25A
B25B
B25B Raider
B26
B29SP
Hudson I
Hudson III
Whitley V
Whitley VII
Halifax
Potez 540
Potez 542
Potez 543
LeO 451
D3A1
D3A2
Ki-2
Ca.309
Ca.310
Ca.133
Do-17
Do-17Z
Ju-188
Ju-388
Ju G.38
P-38 Droop Snoot

[Scharnhorst1943]

Here are som pictures to illistrate the problem:

Martin B10 Bombardier position
Cannot move or look. Cannot SHFT+F1 into bombsight.


A20C Bombardier position normal


A20C SHFT+F1 in bombardier position only zooms in, does not activate bombsight


Anybody have any clues???
I am here asking because I really do not want to re-install from scratch ... again ...

[SAS~Gerax]

Anybody have any clues???

Yes. A-20C read here: 
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,49305.msg539799.html#msg539799

and the Martins Bombardier Bug isn't a CUP issue,
I have the same in Modact5.30, so it comes with this mod.
You should talk to the modder who made this. 

[Scharnhorst1943]

Gerax,
Thank you so much for the info.
I was unaware of the new CUP updates ... so I will be installing that and moving forward. Which is most of the problem.
Part of the being away for a while means catching up with everything most people just know.

I always feel bad telling a modder that something doesn't work, because I appreciate the time and effort they all spend to add something to the game, that is free to me mind you.

Also sounds like I am jumping into CUP in the crazy stage of it taking off and getting all the kinks worked out ... so now I know to expect a slightly bumpy ride!!!

Anyway, thanks again.

[Scharnhorst1943]

Nope ...

I updated to the latest CUP ... still had to manually remove the files to get A20C bombsight to work.

I still have the same issues on all the other bombsights in the above list.
Some of those are not up to date with 4.12.

But the P-38 Droop Snoot, for example, or B-26 cannot get the bombardier scope to work.

[SAS~Gerax]

fix for Do-17s bombsight in #TGA:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,49974.0.html

in #WAW its solved with pt18b here.

[tartenmuche]

Dear Gerax,
there is a fine campaign for a Hudson MkI of the Coastal Command but it is a little frustrating to see inside the plane a splendid bombviseur silver and black freshly cleaned and shining but be enable to use it because there is no bombsight. Argh.
I noticed also that the bombsight of the D3A1 has disappeared.
Nothing to do?
Best regards.

[SAS~Gerax]

Does the Hudson have a working bombsight in 412 at all?
If not, I am the wrong man to ask as I do not do code repairs. 

[Gatrasz]

I noticed also that the bombsight of the D3A1 has disappeared.
Nothing to do?

Yes, obviously, some things can be done by anyone : checking classfiles, testing...
Considering the stock 4.12 D3A1 feature (Bombsight added to D3A1 Val), and as the CUP Manual enlists D3A1/D3A2 mods for 4.09, you could probably try to disable classfiles from one/two of this mods (for example D3A1 : 073B02D64B40F3E4, B05342C40C5A6E12 and FB98841459248A72) and see if you get the bombsight back and/or if it brings other conflicts to the game...

[tartenmuche]

Dear Gatrasz,
I tried your solution but got conflicts: either I could'nt get the D3A1 in QMB or I got a CTD. Fortunately the D3A1 and the Val are dive-bombers and it is always possible to drop a bomb with the usual sight. It is more important for the Hudson which needs a bombsight. Beside that, I don't understand how you are able to determine which classfiles is responsible for the bombsight, personnaly I am not even able to open a classfile. Is there a trick?
Thank you for your help and  best regards.

[Gatrasz]

Okay... Worked for me (#WAW Pt 20); disabling the 3 classfiles (with a "-" sign) got the bombsight back, but with bad bombhooks, so you may want to keep 073B02D64B40F3E4 and disable only the two other (they gave me CTD when re-enabled...). Not a perfect solution, I guess, but they seemed only related to this plane and happens to give back stock material, it sounded (possibly) right ; by the way, I don't know why this 4.09 mods have been included in #WAW (probably 3D improvements, adding bombsight to D3A2 and/or Bomb Releasing Gear compatibility ?), so maybe I missed some important point and may be just wrong 

Beside that, I don't understand how you are able to determine which classfiles is responsible for the bombsight, personnaly I am not even able to open a classfile.

I can't ; sometimes opening them with notepad could let you see what they are about but not perfectly. In this case, it was just a guess, as D3A1 is a stock plane.

Edit : Oh, and for Hudson... I don't know. There was a 4.12 patch for the first Hudson mod, and I think bombsight was working ; not sure if it's meant for the 1.2m version (if this is the one used in CUP).

[Epervier]

Beside that, I don't understand how you are able to determine which classfiles is responsible for the bombsight, personnaly I am not even able to open a classfile.

I can't ; sometimes opening them with notepad could let you see what they are about but not perfectly. In this case, it was just a guess, as D3A1 is a stock plane.

To read the contents of files I use a hex editor ...
HEdit but there are others ...
https://www.mediafire.com/download/0dgsawp6upag582/HEdit_v2.zip