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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2016, 11:03:30 PM »


Great information. Thank you Stalker.
It brings more light and understanding to the mysteries!

Cheers
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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2016, 12:55:50 AM »

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Excellent piece stalker.... clear and concise  :)
I'm reading Geoffrey Swain's " Russia's Civil War" which gives a good insight into the history of the Red, White & Green sides......
I hadn't realized that the Green's ( Socialist Revolutionary Party ) peasant armies posed just as big a threat to the Reds as the Whites, and in the early stages of the war more so !
Not sure I would call Nestor Makhno "odious"...I'm a bit of a fan myself......however this could start drifting into a political discussion and I feel the dread hand of Malone approaching   o_O  so I'll just say thanks to all for their views on this fascinating period in Russian (and world) history !

Cheers

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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2016, 04:12:59 AM »

Not sure I would call Nestor Makhno "odious"...I'm a bit of a fan myself......

Me too... I was reading a book about him some years ago, and it was very interesting !
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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2016, 07:53:13 AM »

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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2016, 09:46:10 AM »

Alexei Bezugolny indicates two variants of the St Nino cross crosses were used : one (the most frequent) was Black with a thin Red outline on a white circle, the other had colours inverted: Dark Red St Nino cross with a thin Black outline on a white circle (the colors of the Georgian flag of the period).

As a matter of fact, Marat Kharulin himself, in page16 of vol 4 of his Kraski Risskoi Aviatsi shows and artwork of a Georgian camel with a red cross outlined black in white circle - conform to the first alternative described by Bezulgony.

By the way, a close examination of the well known photo of this crashed Camel allows to raise a further hypothesis - that the insignia were different for left wings and for right wings (black outlined red on one side, red outlined white on another side), something not uncommon in the Russian Civil war (we have similar well-documented examples in the North Western Army,  Ukrainian and West Polish air forces). This hypothesis would conciliate the 2 alternatives mentioned above.

The existing photos of Georgian SVA (not included in Marat Kharulin's books) are not very helpful concerning this national insignia, but they show the rudder insignia numbering.

Georgian SVA10:


Georgian Camels (2 photos and the profile artwork from Marat Kharulin's book vol 4 p.16):



Flag of the First Republic of Georgia 1918-1921:


Known Variant of this Flag:


Georgian National Insignia showing the 3 colours of the national flag of 1918-21:

Georgian Military Pilots 1921:


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It, most likely, is caused by the fact that these planes were officially purchased Italy and therefore to Georgia, most likely they have arrived without identification marks.
This is more complex yet - As regular practice, Italian planes were delivered in Italian National colours - and these were repainted, sometimes only partially (as we know from Polish examples) by the National insignias of the buyer. When these fell in Soviet hands the rd star was painted over the previous insignia with or without recovering the former insignia with white paint. Sometimes the white paint layer was not thick enough and the former insignia could be seen under the newer one. However Lithuanian machines were definitively delivered without Italian national insignia - so the delivery rule may have changed in the early 1920s.

Soviet SVA-10:

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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2016, 10:30:31 AM »

Gentlemen, may I ask if this mod works in 4.12.2 / SASmod 5.3 ?
I've installed it, I see it in the aircraft list of QMB, but the 'Arming' page does not open, and if I push the fly button I get 'mission loading failed: null'. (last quick deleted). No log generated.

Thank you for your assistance,
Alex
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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2016, 12:18:01 PM »

Gentlemen, may I ask if this mod works in 4.12.2 / SASmod 5.3 ?
I've installed it, I see it in the aircraft list of QMB, but the 'Arming' page does not open, and if I push the fly button I get 'mission loading failed: null'. (last quick deleted). No log generated.

Thank you for your assistance,
Alex

Hello chopperman, yes it does work in 4.12 with ModAct 5.30. ;)

That said you will need to add this if you do not already have it installed as the Italian bombs are from this pack:

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,33456.0.html


Wishing you allthe very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2016, 02:09:42 PM »

Many thanks Pete, I've installed the Italian bomb and now I see the 'arming' page. Problem is, I still get 'mission loading failed: null'.
The same mission (map and target) is regolarly flown with another a/c.
I' ve no idea where I'm wrong.

The very best also to you.
Alex
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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2016, 06:47:47 PM »

Georgian SVA 10, I repainted, it's no problem. important to determine how to properly he looked. those pictures that posted Dreamk, I can not open. and on the little ones. I can not see anything. For this reason, until I make skins on SVA 10E, need reliable information on the color.
 That the skin on the SVA 10E, with the Italian characters and without signs.
http://forum.aviaskins.com/showthread.php?p=150111#post150111
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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2016, 04:26:37 AM »

Many thanks Pete, I've installed the Italian bomb and now I see the 'arming' page. Problem is, I still get 'mission loading failed: null'.
The same mission (map and target) is regolarly flown with another a/c.
I' ve no idea where I'm wrong.

The very best also to you.
Alex


Hello Alex, I tried the aircraft in a clean ModAct 5.30 and can confirm what you say.  :(


Please try this and report back:

https://www.mediafire.com/?t86ec0y9nac3ldj


You will find a folder '_Arms_gun_null', just drop this into your install along with previous folder I mentioned and you should be good to go. ;)

The issue is a shell effect file that I think is included in one of the WWI aircraft from DBW 1916 and if you do not have the aircraft in your install it throws up the null error, this folder was sent to me by Stalker so thanks to him and whoever put it together, and the original author of course.


Excellent skins Stalker, thank you very much, greatly appreciated. 8)


Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D


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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2016, 06:50:05 AM »

SOLVED. Now I can fly the Ansaldo!
The '_Arms_gun_null' did the trick.

Many thanks Pete for your patience and also to Stalker and the original author.

The very best also to you.
Alex
 
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Re: Ansaldo S.V.A -5 / -10
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2016, 12:07:58 AM »

SVA 5/10E/10L skin 1024x1024
https://yadi.sk/d/-7gCwvM2py4Nc
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