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[LuseKofte]

Yes my system work nicely with IL 2. I think it is even a overkill for it. I cannot fly it since I use more hotas than IL 2 allowe . And disconnecting them mess up all other controlsetup after reconnecting. So I am out of this game and not able to test it

[DougW60]

Cpt D.

A consideration for your CPU and GPU will be the monitor you want to use.  A 1080p monitor will not need a powerful CPU or GPU to run IL-2 at max settings, 1440p and 4k will require more power from the GPU. For video editing, CPU power is needed.  It is all a balancing act.

One additional note regarding storage.  SSDs are the not required for high performance.  All of the tests I read all stated that SSDs are very fast for starting the PC and programs but when it comes to game play, there is no difference in performance. For video editing, HHD space important.

Tom Hardware just did a September "Best PC Builds" providing examples of a $500 to $2200 system builds.



I was clueless about computers until I decided that I will be the designer of it, to meet my wants and I learned that Learning never stops.

[Captain Dawson]

I had been wondering about the monitor requirements and SSD, thank you. I see what you mean about a balancing act. Now it's just a matter of finding the balance.

Tom Hardware just did a September "Best PC Builds" providing examples of a $500 to $2200 system builds.

I was clueless about computers until I decided that I will be the designer of it, to meet my wants and I learned that Learning never stops.

Thanks! I'm lookin at the site now. 

[dyingtofly]

Hi
I had just gone from 4.09 install, over the required 4.12, to VP modpack including the first patch, on my 2008 Dual Core  E2180 w. 3/4 gb ram, Sata HDD, nvidia GT 9500 on W7.
Pretty sluggish on 4.09 install prior to VP modpack.
Completely new game visuals now, smooth running and every thing to max except clouds.
Was happy to find upgrades didn't seem nessesary but after maybe 5 hours of flight the board just blew an kapacitor.
So I'm in the same situation.
My thoughts, so far, was - after looking at linustech - going for a G4400 (upgrade package) for il2- 1946 now, since only dual core is used.
I plan on staying with VP Modpack cause of its light load on PC.
[Later if BOS, in a few years, evolve with more parts of the world and better single payer, mission builder and stuff more like 1946 the G4400 could be maybe be replaced by i5 - 6600k (upgrade package).]
Just a thought not tested yet 

[VF19_Congo]

I5 cpu, and "60" series NVidia graphics (ie. 660-960 etc) minimum (or ATI equivalent) ?

A fast hard drive, if you don't buy an SSD, get a 7200rpm at least.

$800 isn't really enough for a decent rig, you'll be chopping something off somewhere.

The "K" model I5 / I7's cpu's are best, they will overclock themselves by default if they
need extra power to run your games, providing you have a good motherboard.

You don't need the best and latest, but a good motherboard, power supply, cpu, gpu, ram,
hdd storage, 27" monitor (2ms) etc. will cost more than the junk you get with a pre-built.

You tend to get what you pay for, and a little extra cash up front saves a lot of frustrations later.

Look, some people wouldn't even notice the difference. It depends on your expectations
and how much time you are going to use the thing. I never buy top of the range or latest gear,
I pick the market for the most powerful and best quality gear for the money, there is always a
cheap way to do that, but $800 is pushing it.

A bundle like this is a good start:

http://cart.microcenter.com/cart.aspx?RedirectUrl=http://www.microcenter.com

Also, I would never try to push anyone into a laptop, that was not my intent, but if you were considering a laptop,
well, that's why I mentioned MSI, the others are a trap. My recommendations are based on almost 20 years experience
building and designing gaming rigs for people all over the world. I don't do this any more because I don't have the
time, but if you need guidance, I don't mind helping out if I can.

If you want to save money, save it on the case, because any old junk from the dump would be fine, get good
components and worry about the case last :p

If you design and buy this new rig, beware of traps, there are always traps, research EVERYTHING.
To do it properly, you need a good understanding of chipsets and what they are capable of. Everything starts
with the chipset, in other words, the cpu and motherboard and what that means for you. The task is probably easier
than it was a few years ago, quality has improved a lot across the board.

SSD's and HDD's can be a mine field, the best is probably Gen3 m.2 spec., but that's fairly pricy. The m.2 HDD's are
like RAM sticks that fit into slots on the motherboard, this is the future as I see it, but the technology moves on pretty
fast, and the motherboards only support what the chipset provides at the time.
I'm still old school and use large and fast 7200rpm drives in a RAID-0 array, which is ridiculous, but my gaming data is
massive, so I have little choice on my budget.

If you don't want a headache, then a pre-built might be for you.

[Captain Dawson]

I5 cpu, and "60" series NVidia graphics (ie. 660-960 etc) minimum (or ATI equivalent) ?

A fast hard drive, if you don't buy an SSD, get a 7200rpm at least.

$800 isn't really enough for a decent rig, you'll be chopping something off somewhere.

The "K" model I5 / I7's cpu's are best, they will overclock themselves by default if they
need extra power to run your games, providing you have a good motherboard.

You don't need the best and latest, but a good motherboard, power supply, cpu, gpu, ram,
hdd storage, 27" monitor (2ms) etc. will cost more than the junk you get with a pre-built.

You tend to get what you pay for, and a little extra cash up front saves a lot of frustrations later.

Look, some people wouldn't don't even notice the difference. It depends on your expectations
and how much time you are going to use the thing. I never buy top of the range or latest gear,
I pick the market for the most powerful and best quality gear for the money, there is always a
cheap way to do that, but $800 is pushing it.

A bundle like this is a good start:

http://cart.microcenter.com/cart.aspx?RedirectUrl=http://www.microcenter.com

Also, I would never try to push anyone into a laptop, that was not my intent, but if you were considering a laptop,
well, that's why I mentioned MSI, the others are a trap. My recommendations are based on almost 20 years experience
building and designing gaming rigs for people all over the world. I don't do this any more because I don't have the
time, but if you need guidance, I don't mind helping out if I can.

If you want to save money, save it on the case, because any old junk from the dump would be fine, get good
components and worry about the case last :p

If you design and buy this new rig, beware of traps, there are always traps, research EVERYTHING.

Thanks, that helps!

I5 cpu, and "60" series NVidia graphics (ie. 660-960 etc) minimum (or ATI equivalent) ?

http://cart.microcenter.com/cart.aspx?RedirectUrl=http://www.microcenter.com

This is just showing an empty cart...

What brands do you recommend for computer parts in general? Which companies are more reputable in your opinion?

[VF19_Congo]

Sorry about the link.

just check out the bundles at microcenter:

http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx

Bargains there are under the I5 6600k series, I was looking at the gigabyte
board as a bundle with that cpu.

The gigabyte boards are really nice, but like all of them, you need to check it out carefully to make
sure it has everything you need.

I used to avoid MSI motherboards, but they have improved heaps. Asrock failures are known to me recently,
but they can be good boards and have a lot of features cheap.

I avoid PNY, not through experience, but because of reported failures. I avoid video cards that have boxed
cooling solutions. I prefer a large, open cooling system with large, low speed fans on a video card.

You can always find high spec ram cheap if you look hard enough.

What few people realise is that most components are coming from just a few major manufacturers,
and re-badging is common.

Look at this PSU:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/457337/SuperNOVA_G2_650_Watt_80_Gold_Modular_ATX_12V_Power_Supply
EVGA is flavour of the month apparently, I use a lot of Antec PSU's, but there are not many listed with that site any more.

Video, something like this, but there is better value for money perhaps, use this one as a comparative benchmark:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/469370/GeForce_GTX_1060_G1_Gaming_3GB_GDDR5_Video_Card

Probably more important than branding is the supplier, both newegg and microcenter are good "one stop shops".
They may also build your PC for a price, and that's a good idea if you are not confident, mainly because if something goes
wrong, they will blame you, whereas, if they build it...... it's on them.

Here are some main boards:
http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966996+4294963449+4294867056&myStore=true

This one appears to be a bargain, but notice that it's an "H" chipset, it will have limitations that may or may not affect you.
http://www.microcenter.com/product/454324/GA-H170M-D3H_LGA_1151_mATX_Intel_Motherboard

This one is a "Z" chipset, they are my choice, but I almost always shell out extra $ for the motherboard so I get
a fully featured board. The difference may be minimal, like a sound chip, or a negatively impacted bus speed under
certain hardware configurations, but the Z chipsets are good value and will suit most enthusiasts at a good price,
it's really up to your needs.
http://www.microcenter.com/product/454328/GA-Z170MX-Gaming_5-USB_31_LGA_1151_mATX_Intel_Motherboard

For every fancy gaming mobo, there is usually a cheaper counterpart without the bling, if you find THAT board in a "Z"
chipset, it will be great value, but check the specs and reviews to make sure there are no deal breakers hidden beneath
the fancy box.

Researching the motherboard and avoiding traps is the hardest thing to do in PC design, it requires current and historical
knowledge, and there is much to learn here.

[VF19_Congo]

I am double posting here on purpose, because I want to make a point.

By this time, you are thinking, hmmm, this stuff is adding up $

Yes.

It's because you are looking at decent components, not the bundled junk you'll find
in a pre-built. Pre-builts are boxes full of traps. This is a big claim, but there are very,
very few exceptions.
(Mind you, for an $800 strict budget, a prebuilt may be the way to go.)

With enough research, you may find enough bargains to come close to your budget.
You need to research within a supplier's range of products as well, I mean, you could find
individual bargains all over the country, but the postage of it all will not be worth it.

Try a similar build with newegg or microcenter and see how they add up, or if anyone else
knows of a good supplier, chip in please, I'm a bit out of the loop this last year, and not
fully current with my knowledge, so plz advise !

[Captain Dawson]

Thanks for the links! I am generally seeing the components add up to above my budget if I keep the selection to better parts. I may need to look at pre builts as well again... I'll try your links though and see how it goes.

One thing I mentioned on another thread, how do I know if the parts are compatible? I really have no idea what I have to take into account for compatibility. For example, can any video card go with a motherboard? Is  it only a matter of having the right type of connections?

[DougW60]

Cpt. D

General rule for comparability is that pretty much everything works with everything with the exception of the CPU/Motherboard.  When you decide what CPU you want, ensure you check what motherboard it is compatible with.  Example: the I5 6600K CPU requires a LGA 1151 motherboard.  Website stores like Newegg will have the information within its description.

Components will come with their own connectors / wires in order to allow it to be connect to the motherboard, monitor, etc.

Are you on a timeline for a new computer?  If you can wait a bit, you will find better deals as late November and into December is usually the time when a lot of these things are on sale.

[Paulo Hirth]

   HI! The best way for built a nice computer is find the best hardwares for money:  http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/   never buy a ready computer.

[sixstrings]

Here's a great place to start learning how to build your own with high end and tested components that work together with links to purchase or upgrade and more.       http://www.build-gaming-computers.com/    Hope this helps.