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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2017, 03:16:38 AM »

To me it is not whether the girl statue is 'right' or 'wrong'.

It is that art is used for a political purpose that represents 'truth', but this art doesn't expose any secret. It opposes a mindset, but as in all things, cubbyholing an institution as wrong or as having only bad intent is a little too simplistic, don't you agree? If wall street was only populated by money-grubbing men with evil overtures that would be one thing. On the surface, it is kind of 'take that!', but deeper, where does the analogy break down as something less than the popular impression? Does it misrepresent hard-working, honest people that work on wall street as well? I don't feel that little girl statue asks this question. I feel we start to approach propaganda.

It is my opinion that real Art provokes thought, it does not dictate it, and the little girl statue is too easily interpreted as dictating thought.
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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2017, 03:28:51 AM »

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 Does it misrepresent hard-working, honest people that work on wall street as well?
Did you ever heard (in german) : "mitgefangen - mitgehangen" ?
The art lives its own life - regardless the politicians say.
Did you read that the creator of the bull placed it there illegally, the bull was removed by police, and only then re-installed ?
Just my twopence, no ofence .  ;)
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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2017, 04:41:42 AM »

My2cents and sorry for bad english: art is a way to share ideas, thinking and feelings between 2 "actors", the author and the observer(s). In a specific place, time and social context the intended message (artistic, political, poetic, social or whatelse) can changes: The bull in author thinking was the courage of americans to rise up after the economic crisis of late '80, now for many is "the power of financial economy", the girl is originally the challenge of the women in the male-oriented society, but for many (or someone, also me) the contrast between people and great economy. The messages (also in art) rarely are univocal.
Happy easter to all :)
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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2017, 06:45:41 AM »

So, art is interpreted by the beholder, right?
I see cowards hiding behind a little girl.

Why not sculpt some woman in a pink hat and a "leave my vagina alone" sign or an occupy wall street loser or a Berkeley anarchist tossing a fire bomb, that would better convey the agenda behind it.

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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2017, 06:59:04 AM »

So, art is interpreted by the beholder, right?
Not at all. After being released, art lives its own life.
See religious art in history - the paintings,  architecture, music and so on .
It is admired not because of the stories behind it, but for more general humani reasons.
Remember not only christian, but also other religion items - Angkor Vat, Machu Picchu, Egyptian pyramides, Luxor as examples.
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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2017, 07:57:30 AM »

I knew that my opinion would be interpreted many ways.

The circumstances behind the bull being there legally or not is not even in my mind. It is there and I see it...the fact is that it is there. It is an icon as well. It is art, whether we like it or not. Its removal or preservation in the past is of no consequence to me. I do not believe in the repression of art. But neither will I subscribe to a standpoint in which we assign a "good score" and a "bad score" to these things. As in 'the bull had six bad circumstances and the girl had two, so the girl statue has more right to be there'. No, no and no.

I do not believe that the girl statue should be removed because anyone is offended, etc. I simply feel it falls too close to propaganda because it makes a conclusion instead of inviting onlookers to make their own about a specific subject, for the reasons I have stated before. It does not have to be anyone else's opinion. Maybe I should revise and clarify  my previous statement to "the best art invites the onlooker to draw a conclusion instead of making that conclusion for them".

I disagree in the strongest way that visual art is not interpreted by the beholder. It is my strong conviction that when a artist releases a work of visual art, the very life of its own that has been mentioned is the very thing that will make an onlooker interpret that art differently depending on what they perceive. The different perceptions may be subtle or they may be great. It is in their nature. For example, the bull may be seen as the strong and forceful economic power of the area of wall street. Or it may be seen as a rampaging out of control beast that represents the damaging economic chaos of wall street. It may even be seen as one today and the other tomorrow. In that respect it is quite a living piece.

If that was not the case, it is my opinion that visual art would be no more interesting than a one-sentence description of the object of art in question.

If nothing else, these statues invite discussion, and that is good.
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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2017, 02:01:58 PM »

I go with the girl! I do not like bulls or bullies.
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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2017, 02:10:11 PM »

The art beholder is not  the Owner of True Truth !  :D :P ;)
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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2017, 03:56:34 PM »

Each beholder has his/her own truth. He/she may be wrong as to the intentions of the creator, but he/she is at liberties to think whatever he/she wants (i.e. what fits best his/her ideas and beliefs). This is the same with art as with the news. Both beauty and politics are 'in the eye of the beholder'.
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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2017, 05:30:14 AM »

The art beholder is not  the Owner of True Truth !  :D :P ;)

Do you feel that I posted that the Beholder was the "owner" of the truth?

If so I believe we have a language barrier, as I posted no such thing. I posted that each beholder may come to his or her own conclusions. That doesn't mean they are right or wrong. Incidentally, the creator of the art is not automatically right either.
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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2017, 06:08:10 AM »

The art beholder is not  the Owner of True Truth !  :D :P ;)

Do you feel that I posted that the Beholder was the "owner" of the truth?

If so I believe we have a language barrier, as I posted no such thing. I posted that each beholder may come to his or her own conclusions. That doesn't mean they are right or wrong. Incidentally, the creator of the art is not automatically right either.
Now I can agree.
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Re: Brave girl
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2017, 10:51:20 AM »

It's all good, she's not wearing red.  ;D

Best regards,
Mike.
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