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[CzechTexan]

Bump for a 5-year-old discussion.
Have there been any updates to the B-17D gun positions?  Maybe I'm not aware of any improvements.
Would be nice to have for Mixx's new Darwin-Ambon map.

[Kopfdorfer]

For what it's worth I think this is a good and sensible request.

Kopfdorfer

[SAS~Storebror]

SAS AI Flyables for Modact 5.30 (IL-2 1946 4.12.2) contains pits for all B-17D Gunners, just saying.
Not sure why they never made it into BAT though.


Mike

[CzechTexan]

SAS AI Flyables for Modact 5.30 (IL-2 1946 4.12.2) contains pits for all B-17D Gunners, just saying.
Not sure why they never made it into BAT though.


Mike

Hmm. Well, my vpmodpack 4.12.2 loads with 5.30 AI Flyables but the only pits are pilot and bombardier (which has a bombsight).

I wonder, if I try to reinstall the SAS 5.30 Flyables over my vpmodpack, with it do harm to my game?  Maybe it's not worth it?

[Vampire_pilot]

Well, I do think, everything exists in BAT, just at some point a main class was introduced for some reason that just was missing the entries.
Since gunnery is an underrated sport, it was never noticed. My guess.

I'll dig some and feed back.

[Vampire_pilot]

Well, I was "right". It's there, classes and stuff for two waist gunners and a front gunner, but kind of badly positioned. Very.
They are instances of the ever popular B-25 gunners.

I could also try some random moving, I guess, if there's no "good" fileset.

Edit:
I take this back. All gunners on all B-17 are horrible. Most even worse.
Sorry; I'm not touching this bottomless pit, for lack of real interest.

[Knochenlutscher]

Try,
But the same goes to my side, I prepped this standalone Add-On for a 3-D Upgrade, which I found freakingly working in BAT.
Better it can't get, to my knowledge or you exploit Über Skills and make it better.

Fortresses & Hudsons of RAF/CC + Mod v.3.0
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,66881.0.html

... smile and wave


Best wishes
Tobias

[Vampire_pilot]

Interesting, I'll give that look!

Do I understand that correct that it affects/improves other B-17 gunners too?

[Vampire_pilot]

They do indeed improve things, also in the general gunnery department! Great mod as it looks.
However, there is no gunnery on the D model either. Apparently, while some attempt existed, it was never carried through to a good result?
Could be the reason it was left out in BAT originally.

[Knochenlutscher]

I had thought I left the Ds in original state, hugh? 
No Gunnery? omg 

Must check myself, I do use the original D,E,F,G Upgrade and this Addon on top.

Will Test them in my Stock BAT neatly Today



Best wishes
Tobias

[Knochenlutscher]

Okay, I sniffed inside a stock BAT, a stock BAT with D,E,F,G Upgrade plus my Addon,
and inside my building custom BAT.

The content is what you see is what you get. From the Addon above.
No Gunner Position in D established. Not even Trials at it.

Check your PM for the D,E,F,G Upgrade

The only thing still WIP is the original Bombbay diagram for B-17s, a future cod Weapons Modification, that I announced, but no progress.
They're utterly exhaustive projects atm. In regards to my Post Covid, concentration troubles, not in 2 Weeks.
I had partial dementia before, these Days I'm like running on 50% Power.
I gradually work myself back, last week I had 2 days where I had nerves, tinkered at the Spitfires, this weeks work was so exhaustive,
I couldn't deal with just a 2 hour Skinning Session, Yesterday.


I have tinkered together with Griffon_303 at the Helldiver Gunner and PBY HSFX Bombardier,
my only attempts, which enabled those Cockpits, but had lack of proper Java implementation.
At Helldiver I took Code from SBD Gunner to have it, in external the Gunner was crap,
inside, no holes, but a perfect position, which needs adjustments I can't deal with.
At PBY Bombardier the same, but it CTDs at implementation of Bombsight.
I had working versions without Reticle, but never managed the proper integration yet.

Best wishes
Tobias

[Vampire_pilot]

I have pulled your complete pack into my WAW and it works out, no obvious hickups, all loadouts present and no errors in the cods.
I think, I'll just integrate this package, looks good:)

Still, no joy on D gunnery for Tex...