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[Kopfdorfer]

Hey Guys,

               Unless my eyes fail me - and they are getting worse ! - there is no section specific to map requests any more.
               I hope it is okay to post this here. If not , admins please move or destroy this within 10 seconds.
               As always , Jim , SAS will disavow any knowledge of this request should it be denied....

               Operation Veritable was the Operation carried out by the First Canadian Army starting on Feb 8 , 1945 to
               clear the land area between the River Maas ( Meuse) and the Rhine , from Nijmegen to Wesel and south ,
               to allow direct access over the Rhine and into the heart of the Ruhr.

               Strategic merit of the operation notwithstanding , the Canadians and attached Brits of II Canadian Corps and
               British XXX Corps , bolstered on the right flank by British VIII Corps,  were ordered to attack the prepared positions
               and massively flooded terrain form Nijmegen to the SE.

               My request is not a new map , per se , but rather an adjustment to the terrain of GilBs wonderful Westfornt44 Map
               which covers the area perfectly for this campaign.
               The request is to alter the terrain of the map along the Rhine and to a lesser extrent the Maas/Meuse to reflect the
               flooding executed by the Germans as a defensive measure.

               Ideally this flooding should be added to the Westfront44 Winter map.

               This link shows the main area of the flooded terrain.
               https://www.canadiansoldiers.com/history/operations/operationveritable.htm

               In terms of work load , I see this as a minimalist addition , simply making the required territory water and no other
               changes. In the best possible world , it would be cool if buildings were left in the flooded area , as was the case
               historically - and the Germans did use these buildings as defensive posts during the battle , but this is not necessary.
               Roads through the flooded terrain should be above ground , if possible.

               The best utility for me would be to make absolutely no other changes.

               As usual , I do not understand whether what I ask is difficult or not - I just know that I don't know how to do it.

               If anyone is interested , I think it would be a nice add to this map.

               Regardless , Operation Veritable , and the other Operations associate dwith it in the early days of 1945 make
               for a very interesting study.

               In IL2 terms , this map mod would be a recipe for delight for any pilot who likes flying late war ground-pounding
               missions.

               Kopfdorfer

[tomoose]

KD;
I'm not sure of the actual size/area you are referring to but I'm wondering if simply making a "flooded" object might be an easier option (i.e. create a static water object that you can slide onto an area.  Similar to the many airfield plates that are in the objects list already but simply textured as water (the water would not have waves/ripples I guess which would lose some immersion).  Just tossin' it out there as an alternative as opposed to re-doing an actual map.

cheers,
T

[Kopfdorfer]

An important addendum.

Hey guys,

               The subsequent Operation to Veritable was Operation Grenade - the advance by US 9th Army ( Gen Simpson) from the Aachen area across the Roehr River ( another floodplain ) north towards Wesel .
Clearly it would make sense to include this flooded area as well if someone were to take up the torch here.
The Roehr was not modelled in GilBs original map.
There were major Damns at Roehrmond , which the Germans opened to create the floodplain.

Here is a map showing the area flooded :

The flooded area ran (roughly) from Roehrmond to Duren.

Kopfdorfer

[WxTech]

Is the area in question already at zero elevation, and flat? If so, one approach would be to extend the water texture area on map_t.tga, and give the water a muddy color. This muddiness would obviate the problem of the appearance of clear, deep water of ocean or lake quality. Ideal if the map does not include any sea area already. Or if there is some extent of the sea present, and the missions are beyond its visibility horizon, it makes no difference. Or if the sea is seen at any point, it could be thought of as roiled-up silt in the shallower areas near shore after bad weather.

One problem with this water approach is that big waves of ocean character would be present under 'bad' weather. But in reality, such shallowness of flooding could not permit waves/swell of significant height to develop.