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Re: GREENHELL 1942 (Eastern New Guinea and New Britain WIP)
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2019, 04:49:00 AM »

Wow, this map just keeps getting better and better. You guys are doing a fantastic job. There is just so much potential for game play in this area, it will become a worthy companion to the Solomons map.
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Re: GREENHELL 1942 (Eastern New Guinea and New Britain WIP)
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2019, 05:26:39 AM »

Well done Toyko Rose, you and your team have done a wonderful job with this map … looking forward to its release.  :)
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Re: GREENHELL 1942 (Eastern New Guinea and New Britain WIP)
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2019, 10:47:36 AM »

Getting better, that's possible?   :D  :D
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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2019, 11:29:58 AM »

thanks for your kind comments and advice guys ! -will try to incorporate again a few ot those craters around Lae strip, althought another reason for their removal from the scene was that we intend to reprensent airfields freshly taken by the japanese forces throughout 1942 and therefore are not totaly devastated by bombs of all sorts, as this was to be the case about a year later.

I have a question regarding movies for those of you that are used to edit some, what software/freeware program do you use to edit movies using replays ? got a few ideas here   :D

Below are a few screens of the work slowly but surely getting done on the map-T by Yann ; )

Wau valley, on the right Salamaua isthmus


Goodenough island, the brownish spot is with Vivigani airfield


Port Moresby and eastern coast

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Re: GREENHELL 1942 (Eastern New Guinea and New Britain WIP)
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2019, 01:55:09 PM »

I await this one with an anticipation eclipsing that for any other map since year dot.
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Re: GREENHELL 1942 (Eastern New Guinea and New Britain WIP)
« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2019, 03:21:50 PM »

Extremely promising... beautifull map for one of my favourite theater of operations... (I hope you can build it without adding a lot of objects becuase it is often a nightmare to find the missing ones) eager to fly above it....
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« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2019, 04:38:26 PM »

A question.

Is modern imagery being used to assign landscape textures? If so, note that modern deforestation is much more extensive than for our time period of concern. My approach would be to "re-forest" to at least some extent areas which appear to have resulted in clearing at the hand of Man.
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Re: GREENHELL 1942 (Eastern New Guinea and New Britain WIP)
« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2019, 05:09:08 AM »

Hi all, thanks WxTech and sakai,

that's a pertinent question WxTech and we truly apreciate all kind of suggestions ! 
Nowadays, totaly out of control rain forrest devastation has reached an alarming scale in Papua New Guinea :(

Modern imagery has obvioulsy been used in the process of creating textures and assigning them thereafter. But not only, and from a far. Many historical datas, along with black and white pre- (Aussie administration) and actual ww2 era pictures, have been collected to help us aprehend what PNG must have looked like back then.

That said, we’ve tried to pay as much attention as possible to what had actualy changed, by instance, when Yann first extracted topographic datas to create the map, we ended up with many lakes : we quickly found out that many of them were modern days artificial pump storage hydroelectricity lakes. Those bad boys were seeked and removed.

That below WW2 allied intelligence chart, among many others we gathered thoughout the web, proved highly valuable. It clearly shows PNG wasn't just about thick rainy forests.


Now, let's see how can a decent batch of pictures of the era come handy. Goodenough, an island Yann has thoroughly researched and worked on :
Vivigani airfield





Those pictures leave no doubt, mountains and hills are covered by open grasslands, from their base to a height of a few hundreds of meters, when not up until their top.

Simply trying to stick to those photos, below is the scenery result we came up with :




Let's go mainland and take a look at the Wau valley (note the Markham valley looks quite similar)









Once again, quite telling : grasslands as far as the eyes can see are observed and forests are down to poor tiny patches surrounded by large clearings and perhaps cultivated areas. This part of our map is still WIP, but the above scenics are definitly what we'll try to aim at.

Moving south to Port-Moresby coastal region, the PNG vegetation chart posted above states it's mainly "savannah". Pictures below tend to confirm that :
Kila-Kila, known as 3 miles drome


The town of Port Moresby

Here as well, seems not to be a matter of tropical forest all around, but rather isolated woods, bushes more or less dense, row of trees on hilltops, but basicaly we’re left with a dry savannah covering a good part of the coast to the shores, with very few sand beaches, if any.
And below is how we tried our best to interprete it :




Now, that being said, our map must be covered a good 85% with thick forest, after all that’s why we named her "Green Hell" ;)

Happy Easter !!
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Re: GREENHELL 1942 (Eastern New Guinea and New Britain WIP)
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2019, 10:00:54 AM »

Very well done research work and with some unexpected founds, like the Port Moresby's Savannah and a lot of grassland.

Congratulations.
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« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2019, 12:26:06 PM »

Excellent research and attention to detail! Gives me very high confidence of a realistic product.
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Re: GREENHELL 1942 (Eastern New Guinea and New Britain WIP)
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2019, 09:14:13 AM »

I just saw a documentary film on the History channel about a downed allied pilot working with the local tribes in
Papau Guinea during WW2.  Fascinating stuff.
They were fighting off the Japanese and even tho the tribes had been converted to Christianism
and were a little more "civilized", when they saw their friends being killed, they decided to return back to
their old traditions of being "head hunters"  :o   They killed Japanese soldiers with blow-darts , chopped their heads off
and shrunk them!  o_O
The whole film story was fascinating, because a few years later while helping these tribes, the pilot was also turning himself
into a head-hunter . Shocking true story!
Needless to say, the Japanese were very afraid to hunt down these tribes in the mountains where they lived.




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here is another fascinating story I just discovered...



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Re: GREENHELL 1942 (Eastern New Guinea and New Britain WIP)
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2019, 04:13:21 AM »

Great Max, just took the time to watch them entirely, those are two very interesting insights of what happened below the thick multi canopy of those pacific islands back then.. :o

Always thought that, as far as the extremely harsh PNG terrain is concerned, had i been given the choice, i'd have had rather been up in the sky - not minimizing aerial warfare risky business at all - than fighting and struggle to survive down under that dense jungle foliage, swamplands, most of the time prevented from seeing the enemy before it's too late and therefore from traditional military manoeuvering...
As you said, shocking true stories ! Any related vids more than welcome  8)

On a side note, presently working on small satellite airfields like Garaina, Bulolo, Bulldog, Aiyura...

Cheers
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