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[greybeard]

Trying to build a desert campaign late in 1941, I would need some Bf 109F-1 and F-2 having their tropical filter. Unfortunately, neither shows it in UP3RC4, while the sole F-2 available in DBW and 4.12 + SAS ModAct also misses the typical appendix...

Anyone knows if tropicalized F-1 and F-2 are available somewhere as a separate download?

Or a simple trick for dummies like me to make filter to appear?

[Griffon_301]

IIRC the 109s from the great Anto pack had the filter show up automatically on MTO maps. The secret hereto lay in the hier.him...maybe check the hier.him files from that pack, I dunno though if that 109 pack is part of UP3 nowadays...

[greybeard]

Thanks Griffon, you opened my mind: actually, it was a mod affecting aircraft shape that prohibited filter to show up on desert maps, for F-2. F-1 continue to lack the tropical air intake, but this sub-variant is a feature of UP, not part of original Anto's pack.

[Epervier]

To get tropical filters you need several things:
- the "filter" objects in the Plane and therefore in the hier.him
- modify the Java code of the aircraft concerned.

And as I told you a few days ago, I don't touch the 109 because there are so many different versions of packs for these planes that it's difficult to do this work properly for everyone. 
Bonne journée Giuseppe !

[Mick]

... I don't think there ever was a F1 Trop version, and the F2 Trop one was a field conversion, only 576 F4 Trop were built by Erla (fitted with trop filter right from production + umbrella slots) in the first half of 1942 ... 

[greybeard]

... I don't touch the 109 because there are so many different versions of packs for these planes that it's difficult to do this work properly for everyone.  .

Bonjour Gabriel,
You are right: in fact my problem was caused by a modification of JapanCat that didn't fit well with Anto's pack and PA_Jeronimo's cowlings.
On the other hand, I think you underestimate both your skills and the "tolerance" of the game. In fact, almost all of the old 3D models have remained unchanged (personally I noticed substantial variations - which make the old mods inapplicable - only in Hurricane and Fw 190, plus a couple that are known: Ju 88 and P-40) .
In fact, almost all the changes you make for 4.09 for me also work in more recent versions, up to 4.14. It is a pity that we cannot adjust certain incongruities that still persist, such as the lack of some real combinations of external loads.

[greybeard]

... I don't think there ever was a F1 Trop version, and the F2 Trop one was a field conversion, only 576 F4 Trop were built by Erla (fitted with trop filter right from production + umbrella slots) in the first half of 1942 ... 

On these topics the sources are always contradictory; according to mine, the F-1 / Trops were very few and only had the filter (modified in the field with Italian material), while the F-2 / Trop originally also had a survival kit. The same for the F-4 / Trop (whose 576 units built must be compared with a total production of Bf 109 in 1942 of 2664 units), with the addition of a rifle.

[Epervier]

Est-ce que vous pouvez m'envoyer le pack 109 que vous utilisez ?
Dossier Plane + code Java + fichiers COD ?

[Mick]

... in my game, the F2 automatically gets the tropical filter according to the map used (I don't have the F1), but my Bf109 folder must be a bit "special" ... 

[Epervier]

... in my game, the F2 automatically gets the tropical filter according to the map used (I don't have the F1), but my Bf109 folder must be a bit "special" ...

Very, very, very special!     

You have the F-1! 
It's a special loadout in the F-2 (normal, not early)!

[greybeard]

Est-ce que vous pouvez m'envoyer le pack 109 que vous utilisez ?
Dossier Plane + code Java + fichiers COD ?

Je vous remercie, mais si vous faites référence au filtre tropical pour F-1, je pense qu'il n'est plus nécessaire: selon ma source, ceux qui étaient surdoués étaient très peu nombreux; je pense donc que le laisser sans, même dans le désert, est historiquement tout à fait correct.