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[UberDemon]

[EDIT:  Looks like I found the solution.  Will have a patch soon after a few tests.  ]

Just noticed he is nowhere to be seen.

Did I mess up in my install?  I looked in "#WAW3\STD\com\maddox\il2\objects\air.ini" and he is not there.  Also not in the "#WAW3\STD\i18n\plane.properties" file.

Just wondering.

[EDIT:  If you have been reading this, take a look at this:  https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,64061.msg705445.html#msg705445]

[EHood]

Nowotny's 262 is missing from my 3.8.3 as well. 

[UberDemon]

Yeah, something is not working, because I try to add it and the "Default" and "Empty" loads come up in Cyrillic but you can't select the plane... that is by adding "Nowotnys_Me-262A-1a                      air.ME_262A1ANOWOTNY                   2 NOINFO   g01     SUMMER" to air.ini and "Nowotnys_Me-262A-1a     Nowotny Me-262A-1a" to plane.properties.

Is this an issue for anyone else?

[Knochenlutscher]

Yupp, Nowotny refused to show in my BAT too. confirm.

Maybe look up in Antos 4.09 or 4.10m Me262 Pack, or there must be the old AI Aces Flyable Mod lurking around.
Don't remember exactly.

[Vampire_pilot]

The aces planes were added as AI only. The class for this one was never equipped with pit as it brings nothing/zilch/nada additional to the game.
It is simply another stock Me-262A1A in a separate slot. Period. Not even the FM is anything special, the modded FMs have overtaken this by miles. That's why this was never included by Monty.

[EHood]

I was wondering. I remember, back in FB/AEP, that an enemy ace would appear from time to time, named in a given stock career/campaign briefing. You could usually identify them because they could be especially vicious. Of course, as you say vampire_pilot, they are only AI pilots with the highest skill setting. 

[UberDemon]

The aces planes were added as AI only. The class for this one was never equipped with pit as it brings nothing/zilch/nada additional to the game.
It is simply another stock Me-262A1A in a separate slot. Period. Not even the FM is anything special, the modded FMs have overtaken this by miles. That's why this was never included by Monty.

But... it is not exactly right that ace planes were added as AI only... All of them are included and flyable, except for Nowotny, which is not included at all, and of course not flyable.









I am not very knowledgeable about extracting skins from IL-2, but for completeness could the original Nowotny skin be made available or included in the next update?

I saw there is a Nowotny skin in the Campaign you made here https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,62971.msg692736.html#msg692736
But I would like to be able to get the original which is still in 4.12.2m if possible.

[EHood]

UberDemon - I stand connected. 

[Knochenlutscher]

All aces Skin neatly skinned, this example is hurting Eye.

Sorry to say. It's just a random Blank with some condensed Font cramped in.
The random Blank is no early Series outlook, it's a random late, when the Kommando ceased to exist. Higher demarcation line occured at some later stages, and different Production Blocks.

Photograph exists of Nowotnys White 8 in in Flight and on the apron. The latter very blurry. The inflight picture is definitely different from this one.
You can trace neat Details:

Kommando Nowotny never wore yellow Tailbands, nor numerals of that style in that location.
Location of numerals was on the location of the forward Tank, the style was that broad as of
EJG 2, sometimes like EKdo262, as most of the Kommandos outfit was previously from them, yellow former Tailbands got overpanted, the whole fuselages, like in JV44!!!, resembled in Schalls famous kite, a perfect example of how the Kommando looked like. some had spotted, dense mottling, instead allover recover.
But two distinguishing feats missing, replacement blank sheet turbine covers and the omnious spotted stenciled Wooden Tailplane Texture. For that feature it is recommended to know the Werkenummer, as Archives have history of over 70% produced still availlable. Only parts are missing completely.
Since it's early production, Documents are recorded.

Werkenummer was 110400, if you need more on the History or outlook, check my Skins, it's there.
NEW Me 262 Kdo Nowotny White 8.bmp
https://postimg.cc/cKMZ12jJ

Mission 4 Today is still delaying my Skin Pack for Me262 Upgrade. I hope they get it Admin pendding aproval
done, so you can grab the Kommandos whole depicted Kites and more.

Best wishes
Tobias

[UberDemon]

Tobias,

Thank you.  I got your skin from vampire's KN campaign I mentioned above (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,62971.msg692736.html#msg692736).

I still think there is a case for keeping the stock stuff for compatibility.

[UberDemon]

*** WOAH!! ***

I think I have some good news.  I did some digging, and I found that just like for all other AI Historical Aces which are flyable in BAT WAW, there is a flyable version for Nowotny's Me-262.  I switched to SAS MODACT 5.3 in the BAT selector (after installing the AWESOME "SAS AI Flyables Pack 5.30 for 4.12.2m" found at https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,37662.msg416714.html#msg416714), fired it up and there he was, in full glory...

Available for player flight:


Me flying in his awesome ride in Winter Slovakia:


Me strafing the hell out of some grass in Summer Slovakia (the earthworms didn't have a chance!!!)


I will see if I can come up with an easy mod to just add him back on BAT WAW.  If we are going to include all other AI Aces then he should be a part of it as well.  Or if we think as a community that they should all go, we probably should remove them all, with the understanding that some older missions (including campaigns) would be incompatible with BAT, which in all truth, can be fixed.  We should though, make provisions to include good Skins for the historical Aces (and since we can, multiple versions, including changes for Desert, Summer, Winter, etc, as historically correct).

What do ya'll think?

[UberDemon]

Well,

I guess I am going to give up on this for right now.  I cannot find any reasonable explanation why Nowotny's Me-262 does not work in BAT/WAW.  The BAT installation has all the right files for it to work, minus the text add in air.ini and plane.properties.

When enabling the SAS module it is easy to compare what should be there.  When you enable flying AI planes in SAS MODACT, it adds one SFS file in the SFS_AUTO directory, which is "sas_ai_3do01.sfs".  Viewing the contents of that file there are no files that seem related to Nowotny's plane, but that should not matter at all because the very same file is already included in WAW in the BAT00 directory (one of the auto load SFS directories).

Also by going through the usual Resolve/Decompile and re-hash cycle you can find out that the Nowotny's files are:
* ME_262A1ANOWOTNY.java
* ME_262A1ANOWOTNY.class
* … and hashed 7535906CF3E5B9D0 file

The Java file has nothing unusual in it... it simply assigns the Me-262 cockpit to that plane.

The weird thing is that the hash file 7535906CF3E5B9D0 is already included in the "\#WAW3\Classes-ObjectsAir" directory of BAT.  So for all intents and purpose, Nowotny's jet was supposed to be in WAW, but it just isn't.  I even tried manually adding the FM file but that is definitely not it.  I also tried different "button" files, but made no difference.

I wonder if the issue maybe the graphics... I see no reason why when defined in air.ini, the plane would appear in the menu, but it simply does not display, and if you try to fly it, it says plane is inoperable.  Obviously it worked in SAS MODACT, which is really a basis for all the work here.  Hmm, there is more here than meets the eye.  The weird thing is that Default and Empty loads display in Cyrillic [EDIT: OK, that is because the only file that has the loads is 'weapons_ru.properties' and they have the Cyrillic Unicode codes for Default and Empty  in Russian... that is all.].  But again, can't see it, can't fly it, but the IL-2 engine has a ghost trace of it.

dang...