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[StingerTheRaven]

4.0 and .1 are supposedly consolidating the mod from its endless expansion-hell, but.. what about updating the mod in the future? It seems unreasonable to download 60+gb plus new content again in a few month from now when the next wave of new aircraft types are integrated.

So are expansions still gonna be a thing, like they were after switching from 2.x to 3.0? Or do I misunderstand, and there's a certain finality to releasing 4.0?

[Vampire_pilot]

4.0 and .1 are supposedly consolidating the mod from its endless expansion-hell,

not how I'd word it but... yes.

So are expansions still gonna be a thing, like they were after switching from 2.x to 3.0?

yes, just as it has been in the recent past.

[SAS~GJE52]

..... "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"



 ...... This was first published in its current form in Henry G. Bohn's A Hand-book of Proverbs in 1855....  and it is still true in 2020 obviously.

G;

[EHood]

..... "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"



 ...... This was first published in its current form in Henry G. Bohn's A Hand-book of Proverbs in 1855....  and it is still true in 2020 obviously.

G;

Wrong then, and just as cynical now. The road to hell is paved not with good intentions, but with inductive logic. 

[SAS~Bombsaway]

One of the main reasons BAT and other packs were made is because when you add anything to your install, there can be a lot of text entries that can be difficult for someone who is not computer savvy and the risk of botching your install exists. So for most they prefer to download a full pack. As we used to say here over the years, if you don't like something, don't download it.
If you prefer the pack, great. If not then download each mod and install it but remember, some planes and other mods are dependant on other mods so there will be a lot of downloading.

[SAS~GJE52]

As usual you miss the point and  try to pick a fight in public.

BAT has done to content creators what TD failed to do. Some common elements are necessary I accept the logic of that idea. however by packaging and obscuring others work into one mega pack you deny the creators any recognition for their time and effort plus, those who wish to create and release new mods cannot access the packaged content so have no chance to develop and modify them.
 But from your flippant answer I doubt you would understand that. I lost the Hawker Hunter mod and it took the action of another site to get it out of the clutches of the BAT monster.

SAS is now promoting and condoning all the things it once condemned TD for doing. ...We all condemned TD for doing. We were a modding site now we seem to have lost our way. Do we need to pander to those who can’t add a simple file to their mod folder and one line to the air.ini .....

If so then it is time to move on and let the lunatics run the asylum.... into oblivion.

GJE52

[vonofterdingen]

True adding a folder and an air.ini entry should be easy enough for most. There are more complicated cases however, such as adding a ship pack that required multiple entries to multiple ini and properties files. That can trip up experienced users. Well, at least it has tripped up me on occasion.

But to me the real benefit of a pack like BAT is the standardization. Mission builders, modders, map makers, skinners, all can now work with a standard install. My perspective is mission-centric, so I am very happy that I can build a campaign for BAT and know exactly which planes, maps, ships, hd resolutions, and objects I can expect my player to have. I prefer not to return to the days when I would publish a campaign and include a list of mods that the end user would have to have: planes, maps, objects, C&C, etc. Am I just lazy? Maybe so but it seems easier for everyone from my perspective.

I can't speak to the modder recognition issue. I do get a little nostalgic for the DBW days when all mods were in a Mods folder (whatever the name) and most entries were text files. I am not technical enough to understand the advantages of rolling things into SFS files. I personally prefer packs, but it would be a nice courtesy to say the least to provide stand alone mod versions also.

[Gubi]

GJE.  C'mon man.  "Tilt yer head back and try to cough...the desert wind might cool you off...".  BAT is BAT...as it should be.  My pornographic DBW1938-1946 is the place where I play modsies and make them work...and be a geek and a wierdo...  Like that.  You know.  Cheers and prost.

[Gubi]

...for all of the creators who want recognition...and I say this from experience...:  Go and find the highest place you can, and with a Captain Kirk Startrek uniform on...walk up to the pulpit and exclaim "I AM KUROK!!!!".  See what that gets ya.  Cheers and prost.

[DESPEREAUX]

I apologize in advance if I hurt someone's feelings.  But I have little experience with IL2 1946, and I am familiar with the world of users of this simulator, so I can comment on this situation based on my experience.  We all know that it is already 2020, and the modern gaming industry can provide many alternatives, users are accustomed to installing in one click, not to mention installing each mod separately.  Back in 19, I made the first repack of BAT, this allowed installing BAT in one click, and even then not many were in a hurry to install it.
One of the ways out of the situation is a list of mod authors, in the installer's welcome message, if, of course, this is so necessary.
On suolko, I know that most of the mods that are present in assemblies such as BAT exist on the site independently, and everyone can find it by name, and, if desired, thank the author.
I am also sure that the modders of Il21946, in no way should quarrel, this will not lead to anything good.
One thing I can say with certainty, thanks to such packs, and modding "old man", as we call him, is still alive.
Thanks to all the participants!

[SAS~CirX]

As usual you miss the point and  try to pick a fight in public.

I have found only one troll in this topic.

BAT has done to content creators what TD failed to do. Some common elements are necessary I accept the logic of that idea. however by packaging and obscuring others work into one mega pack you deny the creators any recognition for their time and effort plus, those who wish to create and release new mods cannot access the packaged content so have no chance to develop and modify them.
 But from your flippant answer I doubt you would understand that. I lost the Hawker Hunter mod and it took the action of another site to get it out of the clutches of the BAT monster.

BAT has done nothing to content creators afaik. They are all alive and drinking last time I checked. BAT is a mod pack packed by members of this community, with no anterior motives, and probably made for the same reason I made DBW: Their own enjoyment, and for a tested robust package that can be used as a foundation for mission creators and campaign creators. Mods inside BAT are mostly content created by other members of this and other communities. If they fail to release that content in a standalone format, I suggest you take the issue up with them. I have not heard of any enquiry into who made a specific mod inside BAT, in order for a member or modder to contact and ask them directly, being denied.

SAS is now promoting and condoning all the things it once condemned TD for doing. ...We all condemned TD for doing. We were a modding site now we seem to have lost our way. Do we need to pander to those who can’t add a simple file to their mod folder and one line to the air.ini .....

  Yes, we are well known notorious lost panderers But comparing us to TD is a bit off. I know moderators here who permanently banned people from this forum for much less.

If so then it is time to move on and let the lunatics run the asylum.... into oblivion.

Oh stop teasing    But before you go, I have to tell you that I absolutely agree and see the need you illuminated, for smaller, more customizable packs. We should ask VPMedia if he would be interested in representing his pack here again. I will start the process.

And also a reminder to all modders here, you are welcome to make and host and support your pack here, regardless of how big or small it is. If it is very popular, we will even create a sub forum for it, just like we did DBW and BAT. You are also welcome to extract mods from any pack and post them here, with or without any improvements by you. So long as you give correct and proper credits.

S!

[SAS~Bombsaway]

For the record My reply was directed to the original poster of this thread and not toward anyone else. My post was not intended as hurtful or disrespectful but only as matter of fact.