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Dreamk

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Re: Levasseur PL15
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2021, 06:03:25 AM »

Pete, Hi! Both work for me with this plane.
Often the problem when modding a new seaplane is that the AI succeeds to take off while it's much more difficult for a "human pilot" to do so. The solution is playing with the reductor value  or, better, by adjusting the coordinates of the position of the propeller and engine in the fmd such as described in this thread:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,65867.msg721821.html#msg721821
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Re: Levasseur PL15
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2021, 07:14:58 AM »

Pete, Hi! Both work for me with this plane.
Often the problem when modding a new seaplane is that the AI succeeds to take off while it's much more difficult for a "human pilot" to do so. The solution is playing with the reductor value  or, better, by adjusting the coordinates of the position of the propeller and engine in the fmd such as described in this thread:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,65867.msg721821.html#msg721821



Okay Dreamk, thank you very much, really appreciated. 8)

Like you mine is in a 4.12.2 install, I have the aircraft just not sure I actually took it off yet. :-[ 

What I found when doing some seaplane slots for Gio was I had the opposite to you, as pilot I could get them off the water, the AI could not, so I tried to tweak things a little so that those making a campaign/mission were able to get their bots airborne. ;)

I will leave mine as is then seeing as we have the same game version.

Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: Levasseur PL15
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2021, 07:25:55 AM »

Vaysa, it's rather strange because I worked quite a lot on the FM of this plane , in order to enable it to take off with maximal charge (torpedo or M bomb).
I have checked once again this morning on 4.122. The problem you have may be due to not following the procedure needed to have such seaplanes take off:
1) raise the throttle to 40%.
2) WAIT till the wake becomes really wide and the plane begins to move up to a speed 11-12 km/h
3) apply right aileron very strongly and push progressively the throttle to 70% - You must get a straight course. As soon as your plane is on a straight course, speed will build up and you can release the pressure on the right aileron
4) push throttle forward (no need to get even at max throttle, even 80% or 90% is enough to get over 100kmh)
5) at 100kmh begin to pull your stick and your plane takes off smoothly, even at full charge
I can take off from the water
  using the elevator trim.
I also adjusted the rudder trim and the plane does not pull at the propeller torque.
I tried to paint a polar according to your calculations.
But in the figure, different numbers are obtained.
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  lineCyCoeff 0.103
  AOAMinCx_Shift 1.3
  Cy0_0 0.213
  AOACritH_0 20.0
  AOACritL_0 -18.0
  CyCritH_0 1.3731587
  CyCritL_0 -0.80639166
  CxMin_0 0.034   // 0.033
  parabCxCoeff_0 4.8E-4
  Cy0_1 0.213
  AOACritH_1 20.0
  AOACritL_1 -18.0
  CyCritH_1 1.3731587
  CyCritL_1 -0.80639166
  CxMin_1 0.034
  parabCxCoeff_1 4.8E-4
  parabAngle 5.0
  Decline 0.010
  maxDistAng 40.0
  draw_graphs 0
Not everything works out as you want. I'm just an amateur.
I have not found a table or picture of the polar for this biplane on the Internet, so my construction is only from the field of guesses and assumptions.
Also, your motor produces only 357 hp.
A three-blade propeller with a diameter of 3.1 - 3.2 meters can take off close to 0.70 - 0.73 motor power. So it seems to me.
Therefore, the propeller removes 574.9 hp from me. from the Hispano-Suiza-12Nb motor. And the model 15 develops 205 km. per hour near the ground at 17 degrees on the map of Smolensk.
 :)
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Re: Levasseur PL15
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2021, 10:15:45 AM »

Hi Vasya!
Here are the official performance data of the PL15 (serie production) from the Levasseur archives:
take off time 25 seconds
Max speed 208 kmh
Max speed at 3000m 186 kmh
Landing speed 90 kmh
Height of utilization 1500m
Practical ceiling 4000m - 4500m
Climbing time to 1000m 5 min 20 sec    climbing speed 195 kmh
Climbing time to 1500m (Height of Utilization) 7 min 30 sec
Climbing time to 2000m 11 min 35 sec  climbing speed 190 kmh
Climbing time to 3000m 25 min     climbing speed 180 kmh
Climbing time to 4000m 43 min  climbing speed 162 kmh
Range 600 km

Engine Hispano Suiza 12 Lbr 650 Hp  with 3-blades Levasseur metal propeller
Empty weight 2931 kg
Util Load 1419 kg
Fuel 650 liters
Total Weight 4350 kg
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Re: Levasseur PL15
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2021, 04:20:01 PM »

Hi Vasya!
Here are the official performance data of the PL15 (serie production) from the Levasseur archives:
take off time 25 seconds
Max speed 208 kmh
Max speed at 3000m 186 kmh
Landing speed 90 kmh
Height of utilization 1500m
Practical ceiling 4000m - 4500m
Climbing time to 1000m 5 min 20 sec    climbing speed 195 kmh
Climbing time to 1500m (Height of Utilization) 7 min 30 sec
Climbing time to 2000m 11 min 35 sec  climbing speed 190 kmh
Climbing time to 3000m 25 min     climbing speed 180 kmh
Climbing time to 4000m 43 min  climbing speed 162 kmh
Range 600 km

Engine Hispano Suiza 12 Lbr 650 Hp  with 3-blades Levasseur metal propeller
Empty weight 2931 kg
Util Load 1419 kg
Fuel 650 liters
Total Weight 4350 kg
Many thanks!
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I was able to more-tune the Levasseur lineup.
The motors are tuned according to the book of Hispano-Susia.
All models take off normally.
Model 15 raises both heavy bombs and torpedoes.
Here are my efforts.
http://forum.aviaskins.com/showpost.php?p=217924&postcount=9075
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Re: Levasseur PL15
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2021, 04:35:51 AM »

 ]cheers[ Thanks a lot  :)
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