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[flightorfight]

I have been posting again on some of the boards, having started to play old installs of DBW 1.71 and UP 3.0 RC4 after many years. I missed the whole "BAT" thing. I went into these BAT boards but was not able to determine which patch of IL2 1946 BAT is installed over. I realize I would have found it eventually but I don't have much spare time.

I do know that about 2 to 4 years ago (poor memory, I'm an old fart) I downloaded what was supposed to be the final "Daidalos" patch of the game ( not a modded version, but official version). I don't remember the version it was. But after going into QMB and giving many planes and adversaries a go I found it virtually unplayable, as the AI enemy planes locked into me so hard and were such great shots that I was seldom able to last more than a few minutes in combat, even with their 'AI' level set to the lowest. If I put them in 'Ace", well forget about it!!

Just as aggravating was the fact the planes I flew would go into accelerated stalls when I turned "just a little" too hard and there was no warning. It was what Raybanjockey in the old Ubisoft forum boards used to call a "banana slip stall" and Oleg had to take out this unpredictable accelerated stall tendency out due to many complaints.

So, to get to my actual point, I'd like to know if BAT is based on this unplayable version? But understand that many might find this unidentified version very playable, as they possibly might be better pilots than I am. So when I say unplayable, it's purely from my own personal standpoint.

I am pretty sure I still have the downloaded game I'm talking about that I found unplayable (and paid good money for) and I'll try to find what hard drive I have it on. I have dozens of hard drives laying around due to PC nerditis (an uncurable and terminal illness, prayers are welcome).

[flightorfight]

I found the unplayable version I was talking about. It was 4.13.3 and I had downloaded it from GoG. This is the one where the AI were simply invincible and I got my plane torn to shreds in a few minutes.

[FL2070]

BAT goes over version 4.12.2m.

To revert 4.13.x to 4.12.2, see here: https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=55464.0

[UberDemon]

BAT is a wonderful MOD pack, the best I have seen so far.  But yes, the 4.12 standard is what is needed.

[flightorfight]

Strangely, even though I was under the impression that version (4.13.3) was the very last stock offering from Daidalos patch team, I just played it after getting my basic settings correct. And then played quite a few combos my plane vs. enemy to give it a good go. This is not what I remember downloading. It plays very well with reasonable AI for enemy planes (I not only survived, I killed them most of the time) and the flight model was not prone to unpredictable accelerated stalls in tight turns. What happened was I did not find the install of a few years ago I was complaintive of, instead I found the GoG download link and was able to download the game as they have it now. Probably different from the one I DL's years earlier. Maybe the one I had downloaded before was something in the version 4.11 to 4.12 or something? And the link, still being active and not requiring me to enter some stupid licence code number, I got the latest GoG had to offer. Apparently their system still retained a memory of my having bought the game once before and honoured that. I like that I did not have to find my licence code. So many times I have in the past I have had to find download codes to re-download a game I already had but lost it or deleted.

But anyway, I find this stock game pretty good but of course lacking the variety of planes and features that makes mods much more interesting. So how to I get the earlier version that I need for BAT? Can I buy it somewhere?

[FL2070]

I've already told you how to get 4.12.2m:

To revert 4.13.x to 4.12.2, see here: https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=55464.0

[Vampire_pilot]

Hello and welcome (back) 

I went into these BAT boards but was not able to determine which patch of IL2 1946 BAT is installed over. I realize I would have found it eventually but I don't have much spare time.

I suggest you actually read about BAT. Because this attitude of yours will get you stranded sooner rather than later.
It is not much text. It is not complicated. It was written brief and to the point. A lot of effort was put into these three (3) essential posts inside the BAT downloads section:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,63246.0.html

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,65026.0.html

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,65027.0.html

Please spare yourself and everyone else the ten page thread where you ask continuously for a week about this and that, but how you did not have time to read a handful of lines of text upfront. It has happened before and was never fun.
Everything you have asked is answered multiple times in these three posts, with links and all.

You are very welcome to ask stuff - just pretty please do not lead with "I didn't bother to read anything you wrote, so explain it again".

[flightorfight]

Hello and welcome (back) 

I went into these BAT boards but was not able to determine which patch of IL2 1946 BAT is installed over. I realize I would have found it eventually but I don't have much spare time.

I suggest you actually read about BAT. Because this attitude of yours will get you stranded sooner rather than later.
It is not much text. It is not complicated. It was written brief and to the point. A lot of effort was put into these three (3) essential posts inside the BAT downloads section:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,63246.0.html

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,65026.0.html

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,65027.0.html

Please spare yourself and everyone else the ten page thread where you ask continuously for a week about this and that, but how you did not have time to read a handful of lines of text upfront. It has happened before and was never fun.
Everything you have asked is answered multiple times in these three posts, with links and all.

You are very welcome to ask stuff - just pretty please do not lead with "I didn't bother to read anything you wrote, so explain it again".

Who's got an "attitude"? I work 12 hours on night shift and am also working OT on my nights off. Plus at no time did I ever say, "I didn't bother reading anything you wrote" and you putting that in quotes means you are saying I said that. Plus I don't see any ten page posts so that is a total lie. I asked a few questions, bit deal. Most of the main explanation page about BAT does not mention (at least not in the the first section) what patch it's based on when it easily could. I might be further down somewhere but since it's a major important thing to know it should be highlighted right away. I have not been unfriendly in any of my posts up 'til now but then I run across you and somebody apparently pissed in your cheerios breakfast cereal. Don't really even care if I get banned ( and for what? ) in here if people are going to be unfriendly. Trying to get back into the game but now I'm just going to stick with older mod packs. You can shove your BAT up your you-know-what as I won't be back here to post among jerks. You say I said things I didn't say and tell total lies about lots of stuff. And I have an attitude. F you!!! Go ahead and ban me!! I won't be back anyway. You remind me of that old asshat Sgt. Malone that used to be a mod here a longtime ago. He was a total jerk too.

[whistler]

Not bad for a third post in long time.

flightorfight, you are back in town and need some time to catch up. Vampire meant well, please reconsider. You have no rights to insult your hosts. Please reconsider and take actions. Your call.

Welcome back by the way.

[SAS~tsisqua]

Not bad for a third post in long time.

flightorfight, you are back in town and need some time to catch up. Vampire meant well, please reconsider. You have no rights to insult your hosts. Please reconsider and take actions. Your call.

Welcome back by the way.

I doubt we see him again.
Honestly, I know Vampire meant well, but being talked to like a petulant child when
you've been working 12 hour days doesn't sit well with most people.
Makes you feel like,  . . . well, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT8N0UsnGsg