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Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« on: February 06, 2021, 08:54:34 AM »



Brief Overview

The Messerschmitt Projekt 1110 was one of many design studies undertaken by Messerschmitt for a prospective single-seat, high-altitude jet interceptor/air superiority fighter, intended to replace the current generation of jet fighter aircraft then in service with the Luftwaffe. Other designs considered for the same purpose include project numbers: 1101, 1106, 1111 and 1112.

History
The 1110 was first drawn up in the first half of January 1945 as a somewhat odd looking aircraft, with a V-tail and an annular air intake. Upon being submitted to the DVL (Testing Laboratory For Aviation), it was heavily criticised for its high wing load and the aforementioned annular intake. As such, the aircraft was redesigned with a much more conventional appearance, with a cruciform tail unit and side intakes. It was during this time, a separate design team overhauled the project completely into what is now known as the P.1110 'Ente', which barely resembled the original Me.1110 with its tailless, canard construction. This 'Ente' proposal was dropped soon after being drawn up in favor of the conventional aircraft then being developed.

By the 27th of February 1945, the design had been finalised and was met with considerable approval in relation to its expected performance. Although it never left the drawing board, aircraft of similar configuration flew and entered service in many nations after the end of the Second World War, including but not limited to: Hawker Hunter, F-11 Tiger and J-32 Lansen. Experience gained from this project would later be used in the Messerschmitt P.1112, often referred to as the 'Optimal Solution'.


Me P.1110 Technical Data (as of February 1945)

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Dimensions and Surfaces
Total Length: 10.36 meters
Height: 3.18 meters
Wingspan: 8.25 meters
Wing area: 15.85 square meters
Aspect ratio: 4.29
Wing sweep: 40 degrees

Wing assembly profile: Interior - NACA 0008-40 (8%) Exterior - NACA 0012-40 (12%)
Aerodynamic aids: Leading edge flaps, landing flaps

Weights
Empty weight: 2812 kilograms
Additional weight: 1470 kilograms
Normal take-off weight: 4290 kilograms
Landing weight maximum: 3490 kilograms
Fuel load: 1620 liters

Performance
Top speed at sea level: 902 kilometers per hour
Top speed at 7000 meters altitude: 1015 kilometers per hour
Climb rate at sea level: 21.5 meters per second
Service ceiling: 14000 meters
Landing speed: 178 kilometers per hour
Stall speed: ~160 kilometers per hour
Wing loading: 271 kilograms per square meter
Take-off distance: 790 meters
Landing distance: 610 meters
Operational range at sea level: 500 kilometers
Operational range at 10000 meters altitude: 1500 kilometers
Endurance at sea level: 40 minutes
Endurance at 10000 meter altitude: 1.8 hours

Equipment and Armament
Powerplant: 1x Heinkel HeS-011A with 1300kg static thrust, to be upgraded to HeS-011B with 1500kg static thrust

Armament: 3x MK-108 30mm cannons in the nose with 240 rounds (1x100 rounds, 2x70 rounds)
Provisions for 2x MK-108 in the wing roots for a total of 5x MK-108 cannons
500kg of external load (unspecified, possibly X-4s considering fighter-interceptor role)







I and many other Luft '46 enthusiasts would greatly appreciate any consideration towards this graceful aircraft, one with quite respectable performance figures for its day. It would not look out of place in an early 50's setting. It may not have flown in real life, but perhaps it can get the chance to stretch its wings in the skies of IL-2  ;)

(Data and information from Secret Messerschmitt Projects by Willy Radinger and Walter Schick)
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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2021, 08:56:54 AM »

Reminds me of a Saab Lansen... the shape is nearly bang on. A beautiful design and hopefully she will be made but it's all for waiting.
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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2021, 10:02:12 AM »

I really hope someone picks this up, it could be great performer in high-altitude missions with such a long endurance and speed advantage.
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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2021, 10:16:26 AM »

Yes!! Yess!!! I would love to see this bird in IL-2  ;D

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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2021, 06:31:28 AM »

Thank you for your interest  ;D I  just hope there is enough info to create a flight model.
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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2021, 06:43:33 AM »

It's possible, I mean you uploaded the 3d layout which is a start, coupled with detailed side profiles.
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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2021, 07:45:32 AM »

I was quite happy to find such a detailed 3-view with landing gear,  I hadn't seen one for this plane until I found that one  :D But what I meant was the technical data.
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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2021, 05:57:40 PM »

Some additional information here:

Cockpit is partially pressurised, and includes an armored windshield inclined at 30 degrees to protect the pilot from 12.7mm rounds from the front. Rear cockpit armot protects up to 20mm.

Vertical tail surface area (with rudder): 1.8 square meters
Horizontal stabilizer surface area (with elevators): 3.0 square meters

Thrust to weight at normal take-off weight (HeS-011A): 0.30
Thrust to weight at empty weight (HeS-011A): 0.46

Thrust to weight at normal take-off weight (HeS-011B): 0.34
Thrust to weight at empty weight (HeS-011B): 0.53


Weights Breakdown

Wings: 450 kilograms
Fuselage: 350 kilograms
Tail unit with controls: 135 kilograms
Undercarriage: 230 kilograms
Engine with components: 1015 kilograms
Equipment: 190 kilograms
Weaponry (MK-108 and armor): 442 kilograms
Pilot: 100 kilograms
Ammunition: 128 kilograms
Removeable load: 1478 kilograms
Fuel: 1250 kilograms
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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2021, 12:43:41 PM »

Images from a CFS3 WIP addon, unfortunately never released.

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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2021, 04:03:32 PM »

That's... odd... I could've sworn I posted on this thread...

Aaaaand, I'm about five months late, but... well... does that count as a necro? I don't know. Seems like a waste to not contribute to this.

But yes. This is a fascinating (and quite sexy) what-if. Perfect for a late-1946 or early-1947 scenario.
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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2021, 04:46:36 AM »

Images from a CFS3 WIP addon, unfortunately never released.
*Snippets of CFS3 Screenshots*

Get outta here, that's CFS3?!?! WHAT THE F**K?! When did CFS3 have such GOOD models and look so good??  o_O
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Re: Messerschmitt P.1110 jet interceptor: The baby Hawker Hunter?
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2021, 04:59:20 AM »

I agree Ricky that CFS3 has some beautiful models and details.. I hope she appears in our sim, she's a shape granted was only on a blueprint but she does remind me of the Hawker Hunter, but mostly the Supermarine Swift.  8)
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