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Author Topic: REQUEST: SAVOIA MARCHETTI S79 SPARVIERO VERSIONE BIMOTORE (2 ENGINE)  (Read 2301 times)

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Nero

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The 2 engine version of this battle horse of the Italian Air Force from Spain to ww2 was not used by Regia Aeronautica since it was slower than the 3 engine version, but it was purchased by other axis countries like Romania that used extensively it on the Russian front, (in Stalingrado the twin motors S79 was part of the desperate attempts of the Romanian aviators to resupply the army  and to bomb the soviet positions), someone was sold or gifted to Iraq during the conspiration, others maybe was purchased by other countries I don't remember, just a few ofc, like for the S81 in China.

Usually for the early Romanian bombers DGEN campaigns I replace the he111 normally and the stukas too sometime with the Bristol Blenheim and the trimotor because it seems to me more historically accurate, but that's a mine personal impression probably I m wrong and the he111 was present during barbarossa in 1941,probably they was present each one, so I was thinking since usually for the Romanian Russian front campaigns we use the trimotor classic S79 version, it would be nice to have a twin motor version for Romania, here I attach some Pic and sides


S79 SPARVIERO OF THE ROYAL ROMANIAN AIR FORCE DURING THE WINTER OF 1942-43 I GUESS IN STALINGRAD OR NEARBY, I GUESS, I COULDN'T REMEMBER FINE MAYBE.




MODEL OF A ROMANIAN TWIN ENGINES S79 SPARVIERO EITH A CLASSIC ITALIAN CAMO OF LATE 30' AND VERY EARLY 40' YEARS, AND THE MARKING OF THE ROYAL ROMANIAN AIR FORCE




RESPECTIVELY ROMANIAN AND IRAQI S79 OF THE FIRST PART OF WW2 EMPLOYED ON THE SOUTHERN EASTERN FEONT AND IN MESOPOTAMIA





THANK YOU IF YOU READ MY THREAD, AND SORRY 3D MODELERS IF MY REQUESTS ARE STRANGE SOMETIME 😂

That request come since I'm planning a serie of single missions on the eastern front and in Mediterranean and east Africa, several of them are yet ready and must be tested, (the Italian ones, an east Africa summer of 1940 campaign on the gulf of Aden with the Gibuti map, on caproni 133, sm81, sm79 and imam ro 37, mainly medium range reconnaissance and ship hunting, and also a rescue mission, while the Mediterranean one is in Rhodes recreating the Regia aeronautica strategic early war raids against British Palestine (Haifa, tel Aviv, and other locations they even attacked the Bahrein oil refineries with a very long range raid with sm82 marsupiale, landing in Eritrea later without return to Rhodes, lieutenant colonel Muti and his gang, but this mission is not possible in Il2 since we haven't a Bahrein map, but using the Dodecanese and middle east map I recreated the raids in British Palestine, Lebanon, strategic reconnaissance over Egypt, and I m planning ever to recreate the Gibraltar bombings with Piaggio p108 and others, in the Rhodes campaign in autumn 1940, these raids was stopped in middle 1941 since Italy had to concentrate her resources elsewhere, are played over SM82, SM79, CANTZ1007, AND NIGHT RAIDS WITH THE OLD SM81, WHILE THE RESCUE MISSIONS IN DODECANESE ARE PERFORMED ON CANTZ501 AND 506 SEAPLANES, also called MAMMA AIUTO by the downed pilots and the sailors, help mom, where help is a name like to say the mom who save you at sea, 7 missions of that last campaign are yet ready and it would be nice to use the S79 bimotore like liason plane between the islands, there is some transport mission too, there is also one mission with the FIAT G12, a couple, one single in north Africa and another in Dodecanese campaign, over some bonus mission against Greece bombing salonika and other cities on CANTZ1007, flying against gladiators and Greek British fighters, same for the Romanian campaign (its a surprise the theater, something we never see in Il2 with the Romanian air force ❤️🌹) and use aside with the blenheim, stuka, and other planes the bimotor version of the S79 SPARVIERO one day.

Thanks again!
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David Prosser

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Oh, I didn't know there was a twin engine version. I'll do a single mission for it if one is made.

cheers


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I have never seen this aircraft before, but that would be cool to see it in game though. ;)

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Also interesting to see it had 2 different motorizations : we see some with radial engines, other with "inline" engines...
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In Romania it was built on license (like the sm81 pipistrello 2 engine version in China) like IAR 79, and they remained in service also in the red Romanian army post war.

About the motors that was common in Italy, have you never asked your self why Italy still to have trimotor bombers in ww2? Italy had no powerful engines, so with 2 engines the plane was slower, the few good engines was built on license, now I have a scarse knowledge of that so I could wrong in something but more or less was so. That's why so different motors in the same plane, I guess it was experiments, also the s81 had a 2 engine version and had 4 different motorizarion, each one for a theater, alfa romeo in med and Spain, Piaggio in Africa, gnome Rhome, etc etc and some of these savoia Marchetti was in service until the 60' like transport and Para trooper plane.

BTW in 1948 3 years after the war ended in Europe a lone IAR 79 appeared in the skies of Rome, landing, and asking the status of refugees, the crew was royal Romanian air force aviators who didn't agree with the new political course.
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 :)   There is a nice twin engine version of the Sm81 created by Dreamk in its package .. for the moment you could adopt it , the most notable difference is the fixed trolley.   ;)

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Me likes. heres a wiki article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR_79
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There were 2 versions of this plane serving with the Romanian Aeronautical Regala:

1) the original Italian version SM79B , with 2x French vertical box-type bomb racks (32x10kg or 8x50kg)
and two Radial Gnome K14 engines



Nose of Italian built aircraft


2)  the Romanian built version JRS-79B - This was also called IAR-79 and SM-79JR (official original Savoia-Marchetti denomination of the project)
equipped initially with two Jumo 211D 1200HP engines (JRS-79B), then with two Jumo 211F 1400HP engines (JRS-79B1).

This version was equipped with 2x American type horizontal bomb shackles (quite similar to the ones in the B-17 bombers) and with French and US-made bombs. If this was not enough, these planes had also a fixed frontal 13.2mm FN MG (or even on some planes an Ikaria 20mm Cannon) in addition to a 13.2mm FN mobile dorsal MG,  a 7.92MG at mid fuselage and a a 7.92mm MG in ventral position firing rearwards

These are the US type bomb shackles and bombs of such a plane







Nose of Romanian built aircraft:






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The jumo motors probably was much better. That plane was very resistant since his structure of wood and steel skeleton, if you played some Spanish civil war campaign you know what I mean, it can take even a few hundred bullets and still to fly, sometime I returned to base without a piece, but on the Russian front in number of 24 didn't perform very well (strange, trough obsolete by 1940 in Mediterranean was probably the most successful Italian bomber and torpedo bomber aside with the cantz1007) maybe it wasn't built for Russia who know, in the short number couldn't do better but noneless often did an important job in attacking and evacuating troops, bringing supplies, and in 1944 was even used again against the Germans.
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 :)   There is a nice twin engine version of the Sm81 created by Dreamk in its package .. for the moment you could adopt it , the most notable difference is the fixed trolley.   ;)



I was thinking to that, but it is too slow with his alfa romeo engines.. 300 km h circa. A fliyng coffin over the steppe to me. I m not a good pilot 😁 (I'm not even a fighter player) I need a fast machine to escape fighters, and sparviero trough is not l the fastest bomber like in his hey days in Spain, still to be a fast horse especially in determined conditions.
Yesterday I tried the fw 187 Falke heavy fighter (the heavies are OK for my capacities, night fighting is diverse, less acrobatic) at first I sad it don't have the rear gunner like the bf 110, but then I saw it do 530 km h in normal conditions just fliyng straight, I sad wow, I don't need a rear gunner now. 😂
Like in scw campaign with the sm81 and sm79 in Spain, from balearic islands over republican cities, if fighters appear just push on the gas, 80% of times they wasn't fast enough to pursue me.

But an hack skin yes, would be nice on the s81 bis

I found this video of war thunder with the SM79B

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Re: REQUEST: SAVOIA MARCHETTI S79 SPARVIERO VERSIONE BIMOTORE (2 ENGINE)
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2021, 08:47:46 AM »

Some more info here: https://www.worldwar2.ro/arr/?article=757

And as I said in a reply to Nero's skin request, there were 4 Romanian versions (or 3 since 2 were the same but made in different places) of SM-79B:
-the S-79B (Italian SM-79B, but with the IAR 14K engines)
-the JIS-79B and the JRS-79B (JIS were Italian built, JRS were Romanian bult), with the Junkers Jumo 211Da engines
-the JRS-79B1, with the Jumo 211F engines

And a reply to Dreamk, the nose photos of the planes are the other way around. The first photo is that of a Romanian built S-79 and the second is that of an Italian built one, as the descriptions say.
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