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dsawan

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Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« on: July 02, 2022, 02:46:26 AM »

Saw this one here, maybe feasible with what we have ingame. Can be fitted to b and c series.
https://drawingdatabase.com/arado-ar-234/
https://www.rare-planedetective.com/product_p/mbox40416.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arado_Ar_234
http://www.modelalice.com/product/wwii-german-fighter-arado-234-arado-234-v1-v-1-rocket-bomber-aircraft-biplane-big-large-scale-size-plane-flighter-model-models-soldier-pilot-scene-on-sale-shop-store/





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    Crew: 1
    Length: 12.64 m (41 ft 6 in)
    Wingspan: 14.41 m (47 ft 3 in)
    Height: 4.29 m (14 ft 1 in)
    Wing area: 26.4 m2 (284 sq ft)
    Empty weight: 5,200 kg (11,464 lb)
    Max takeoff weight: 9,800 kg (21,605 lb)
    Powerplant: 2 × Junkers Jumo 004B-1 axial flow turbojet engines, 8.83 kN (1,990 lbf) thrust each
    Powerplant: 2 × Walter HWK 109-500A-1 Starthilfe liquid fuelled jettisonable JATO rocket pods, 4.905 kN (1,103 lbf) thrust each (optional)

Performance

    Maximum speed: 742 km/h (461 mph, 401 kn) at 6,000 m (20,000 ft)
    Cruise speed: 700 km/h (430 mph, 380 kn) at 6,000 m (20,000 ft)
    Range: 1,556 km (967 mi, 840 nmi) with 500 kg (1,100 lb) bomb load
    Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
    Rate of climb: 13 m/s (2,600 ft/min)

Armament

    Bombs: up to 1,500 kg (3,309 lb) of disposable stores on external racks


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Re: Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2022, 03:54:23 AM »

The V1 was not a modern cruise missile. You need to research the start-up procedures for the V1. I am not too sure it could be accomplished while in flight ........  :P plus the release procedure for the V1 in that position could be "tricky".  :D :D :D :D....


I love what-if proposals ..  but they must at least be feasible ... and IMHO ( and that of the German designers) I doubt this is.
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Re: Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2022, 05:10:00 AM »

It could be launched in flight. In fact over 1500 of them were released from underneath of He 111 bombers.
Launch from dorsal mount is another story though. Especially from an aircraft with a single vertical stabilizer.
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Re: Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2022, 07:30:43 AM »

Yes you are correct ....... so it looks like an air launch is feasible ... given the right aircraft.....  but I still doubt the dorsal mounting idea.

Variants such as the He 111H-16/R3 and H-20/R2 pathfinders carried V-1 flying bombs to their targets in London as part of Adolf Hitler's "vengeance" campaign.  The He 111H-21 and H-22 were asked to deliver the V-1s when the British and Canadian 21st Army Group liberated the Netherlands and overran the original launching sites.

 Work on this scheme however predated the beginning of the flying bomb blitz, and involved removing the He-111's bomb racks and a fuel tank, and installing launching gear and provisions for carrying a V-1 nestled under the left wing. Sadly there is not enough space for this on any of the Arado 234 variants.
This proved to be a risky business, since the flying bomb was very heavy and could be lethally tricky to launch. 1,200 V-1s were launched in this fashion, with the loss of 77 bombers. Twelve bombers were lost on two missions alone simply due to the premature detonation of the V-1's warhead after the He-111 left the runway.
Air launch was abandoned in mid-January 1945, due to the high attrition



Some of the H-22s were loaded with Fieseler Fi 103R (Reichenberg) missiles. The V-1 was transformed into the Reichenberg by adding a small, cramped cockpit at the point of the fuselage that was immediately ahead of the pulsejet's intake, where the standard V-1's compressed-air cylinders were fitted. The cockpit had basic flight instruments and a plywood bucket seat. The single-piece canopy incorporated an armoured front panel and opened to the side to allow entry. The two displaced compressed-air cylinders were replaced by a single one, fitted in the rear in the space which normally accommodated the V-1's autopilot.

It was proposed that a He 111 bomber would carry either one or two Reichenbergs beneath its wings, releasing them close to the target. The pilots would then steer their aircraft towards the target, jettisoning the cockpit canopy shortly before impact and bailing out. It was estimated that the chances of a pilot surviving such a bailout were less than 1% due to the proximity of the pulsejet's intake to the cockpit.


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Re: Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2022, 09:39:24 AM »

Dsawan,
Nice proposal, interesting what-if.

In this proposed version, the V1 is actually mounted on a pivoted mounting wrack that pivots up and raises the V1 above the tail of the carrier ac.  This gets round the jet exhaust problem with the ac tail.  And actually being launched from a fast carrier launch pad ac is the best thing for it; a V1 was launched at 110m/s (246mph) from a ramp, and at about 150mph/250kph from an He111.  Most flew in the region of 350mph/583 kph, so being launched from an Ar234 at say 250mph/415kph would be very benificial to it's range.

See attached pic and the Ar234 launch in the background.

Cheers

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Re: Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2022, 01:31:33 PM »

Glad, you like my proposal. Hope it becomes feasible some day with what we have. I saw this in a thirdwire strike fighters mod but havent tried it out yet. So the idea came from that, Plus I still love everythign Arado so the more variants of her the better, Ever since the Awacs version came out as well, hoping for more plus DCS I think has one wip.
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Re: Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2022, 07:02:15 AM »

I think this would be not hard to implement by anyone who knows enough about Il-2 coding.

Four engine Ar-234 already exists.
Code for air-launched V-1 exists too thanks to Twister.
Attaching V-1 to Ar-234 should not be hard.

The question is about the ramp.
Making 3d for it should be easy too, it's just six "tubes", I can make it in Blender.
Now, how to code it for the game? The ramp should rise before the launch so dedicated code and simple animation are needed here. Or maybe the ramp should be risen by separate key (air-brake probably)?
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Re: Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2022, 08:10:55 AM »

Indeed, it is very simple!
How come it hasn't been done yet since it's so simple!
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Re: Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2022, 09:39:30 AM »

How come it hasn't been done yet since it's so simple!

... because it is way too simple ...???  :-|
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Re: Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2022, 11:43:42 AM »

Indeed, it is very simple!
How come it hasn't been done yet since it's so simple!

Because no one wants or interested in it?
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Re: Arado 234 with V-1 rocket
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2022, 06:28:26 AM »



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Making 3d for it should be easy too, it's just six "tubes",
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Because no one wants or interested in it?
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