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Frankiek

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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2024, 11:09:28 AM »

Twin Otter a great plane very safe and can land anywhere (or nearly so)
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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2024, 07:41:00 AM »

 
Hi
The land version sinks like this, otherwise everything seems to be ok,
I use BAT latest version.

Cheers
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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2024, 09:56:31 PM »


Hi
The land version sinks like this, otherwise everything seems to be ok,
I use BAT latest version.

Cheers
Barber

This problem is caused by the landing gear not being released. The FM for the wheeled version specifies the release/retraction of the landing gear. The AI ​​retracts the landing gear after takeoff. Although the landing gear is not visually retractable, its hooks disappear. therefore, the landing gear must be lowered (watch the green light).
Unfortunately, we are not able to make changes to the FM, but if someone takes up the task of adjusting the FM, then this will only be welcomed.
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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2024, 06:16:00 AM »

Hello guys, the undercarriage is set to one at the moment in the FM  but I think if I set it to zero that might solve the issue that was mentioned, I will continue to tinker.  ;)

I have tried various engines for this from other turboprops, the Tu-95 and C-130, each worked but made the aircraft much faster than it should it and rocket take off. :D

Alex sent me some numbers with which to alter the C-130 figures but that ended up messing with the sounds of the engine and gave a strange look to the proeller rotation, the land plane got airborne but the seaplane not. ::(

I have just tried the Astazou from the Pucara and that seems okay but a bit loud and the landplane seems to fly okay with that, however, the seaplane will not get airborne.

The search continues, if anyone can do these two an FM, I for one would be grateful, FM work is certainly not my forte. :-[

Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Frankiek

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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2024, 07:04:48 AM »

I just changed the landing gear control that is now set to 0 tested in sas modact 5.3 and works even if ai landing is for a tail dragger but no crash and undercarriage is still there
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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2024, 12:53:31 AM »

I just changed the landing gear control that is now set to 0 tested in sas modact 5.3 and works even if ai landing is for a tail dragger but no crash and undercarriage is still there
Thanks a lot Frankiek! ]salut[
I repack link and added in 1st post.

Regards! ]cheers[
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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2024, 12:47:49 AM »


 Hi
 Now it works fine. Thank you! 

Cheers
Barber
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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2024, 02:58:23 PM »

Hello guys, to further update on the engine changes I have tried so far. :D

I eventually got the engine Otter FM to load a renamed EMD from the AT-27 Tucano and some issues are there and here I am stuck. :(

The sounds work and that was the main emphasis on trying to add something from the sim that was a turboprop and it seems okay in this respect in that the sounds seem to run without issues, so so far so good. However, the EMD will complain of engine overheats, especially for Alex who has this set, me I turn those things off because of the age-old issue of aircraft not being able to catch up. In Alex's install this causes fires. o_O Now for me in my ModAct 5.30 the aircraft controlled by AI will climb and level out without issue, same in BAT but here the overheat message comes on but still the aircraft will climb and level out and no fires. So, different installs are affected in different ways it seems so it could be one or both of us are short of something in the installs we use, not sure.
The EMD from the Tucano has been left as was, I have not changed its parameters so for now I am at a loss as to where to go with it, try and reduce the weights of the aircraft or change the power of the PT-6 EMD or both but I lack an understanding of the process, I can add certain things such as a name change but that is as far as I get.

Next problem is the landplane sits on the water. :o Yes you read that correctly, but it is set as a landplane in the FM and each type of aircraft has its own classfile, one for the landplane and one for the seaplane and there is nothing I can see in the java, that said I am as bad with java as with the FM files. ::(

So the WIP is stuck there, maybe I could just add the sounds to the existing EMD you are currently using, maybe not, I am stuck.

The lack of being able to paint this thing has also been annoying, there is no template I am aware of and there are about eight in total needed to paint this aircraft! It was developed earlier for another sim, not made for IL-2 but adapted by Edlor, so I am trying to re-map the model:




This brings up another issue in that even if I ever finish it, can it be released, I do not know if Edlor built this himself or used a model built by someone else. Why is that important you may ask? Well, usually if people allow their models to be added to IL-2 some make stipulations on what exactly can be done with it and there is the issue if I finish what is a test on my part, could it, should it, be altered to make it skinable?

Anyway, there it is so far, what is going on slowly behind the scenes with all this black magic mumbo jumbo, it keeps Alex and me awake at night
stressing out. :D

Alex is making some changes to the cockpit but does not want to upload in its current form, I for one say add a second WIP link for you guys to try the turbojet changes as they are, what do you guys think?

Anyway, enough for today, I had mentioned the engine changes earlier so figured I should at least let you all know where we are at. ;)

Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2024, 05:35:11 PM »

I've been looking forward to be able to make skins for this bird for sometime. Hopefully you both don't over work yourselves  :D
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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2024, 03:24:48 AM »

Hi all.
Here is an archive with an update to FM about the problems of which Pete wrote in the post above (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,69309.msg789173.html#msg789173):

https://www.mediafire.com/file/39mj2pfomjibgmm/Otter_update_FM_13th_May_2024.7z/file

Sorry, but this update was delayed for me due to lack of time and other problems.
If any of the modders suddenly have an interest in fixing the FM otter, we will be very grateful.
Unfortunately, I am not fully able to support this project (like others) due to the conditions in which I find myself.
Therefore, I apologize in advance if I cannot answer on time.

Best wishes

Bison_M
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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2024, 12:07:30 PM »

I've been looking forward to be able to make skins for this bird for sometime. Hopefully you both don't over work yourselves  :D

Hello ZtheE, the process will not be fast as health issues mean I cannot do much with my arms and fingers without pain so the mapping is very much a side project that I will do as and when I can, hopefully I will finsh it. I have been contemplating doing this for some time but do not know how it will turn out and as with Alex I do not know how much time I can dedicate to the project at the moment so you guys will need patience. ;)

The pack Alex has posted above is what I last sent to him with the intention of adding in the PT-6 engine and sounds but as I already mentioned I did as much as I was able with that so the link is for testing and tinkering if any of you wish to, if not then just ignore it, for now the link in the first post is the main one for you guys to use for the moment.
Note in the entry of the FM for the landplane I had not noticed it was still listed as a seaplane when I posted it to Alex, mix up in files and all that. :-[

Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: Edlor - de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter
« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2024, 05:33:39 PM »

Thank you again. Great updates, cockpit and all.

IMPORTANT notice.   

.. as stated by Mission_bug:             Main post seaplane  DHC6W_FM     8/3/2022  works fine.
                                                     #33  later seaplane  DHC6W_FM    5/13/2024 does not lift off from water.
                                                               
                                                                    landplane DHC6L_FM      5/12/2024 do work very fine.
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