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[flightorfight]

Since Istill don't have the BAT yet, I'm curious if tis fixes the fault in the old UP and DBW where some modder stupidly removed MW50 from the Bf-109G6AS? Back in the day the G6AS was my favorite 109 and this is one pet peeve about DBW I hate. And I still hate it. Anyone knows the G6AS had MW50. If it didn't, then it was no better than a standard G6!!!

[sturmbock]

As far I know, the /AS designates the that the DB605 powering that aircraft (in this case a G-6) was fitted with the larger supercharger of the DB603. This provided better power at altitude and increased the full throttle height of the standard DB605. The cowling need to be re-designed to accommodate the large supercharger thus a G-6/AS wouldn't have the 'bulges' of a standard G-6 because was spacious enough to fit the MG 131.

The Bf 109G-6/AS entered service with JG 1, JG 5, JG 11 and I./JG 3 in the Höhenjäger role in late spring 1944 (April / May) but in limited numbers. It was used on Western Front to counter the new Allied types with updated high altitude performance.

MW-50 has nothing to do with the AS designation. What you are probably interested is in the overboosted Bf 109G-6/U2. This is the designation for the plane fitted with DB-605 AM, that used MW-50 injection. It appeared in late spring 1944 too, and should not be mistaken for the Bf 109G-6/U2 made in 1943, which was a regular G-6 with a wooden tail. It was used mostly on Eastern Front, when in late spring 1944, the Soviets introduced new fighters that could challenge Bf 109 in climb rate and acceleration at low altitudes.

Bf 109G-6/U2 outperformed Bf 109G-6/AS at low altitudes. At high altitude the situation was reversed. Bf 109G-6/U2 was introduced initially as field modifications, only latter they came as such from the factory.

But there was also a version called Bf 109G-6/U2/AS that used DB-605 ASM, which had both the MW-50 boost system and the larger supercharger. Not many were produced to this standard as they were soon replaced by Bf-109G-14/AS and Bf 109G-10.

May be theses rare Bf 109G-6/U2/AS is designated as a Bf 109G-14/AS in BAT/CUP/DBW for this reason.

[flightorfight]

Thanks for replying. Well then the original IL2 and DT game all had the "overboosted" one because the original G6AS in the stock game had MW50. Then someone in the modding community took away the MW50 for no good reason. If you downloaded the latest stock game DT patch, which I believe is version 15.00, the G6AS still has the MW50!!! I never said the AS automatically meant this plane had MW50, as a matter of fact, I knew, like you, that this had nothing to do with anything regarding MW50. The big thing is when I fly the neutered mod version (in my old DBW and UP mod games) without MW50 on the Kuban map just above the water (less than 20 meters), the top speed is no higher than the standard G6 at all. So why have this version at all? Some modder made the decision for everyone to take MW boost away. Apparently the slightly higher power DB605 engine ( but no MW) you talk about was not modeled by the same idiot that took out the MW50!!

[SAS~Storebror]

Watch your language.

Matter of fact, the DB 605 AS does not have MW-50. The DB 605 ASM does, but the Bf 106G-6/AS doesn't use the ASM engine but instead it uses the AS engine, as indicated by it's designation.
The Bf 109G-6/AS will not run any faster than a standard G-6 on the deck. It will run considerably faster at altitude though, as it's equipped with an engine carrying a superior supercharger (larger blower from DB-603 installed).
Therefore, Stock IL-2 is wrong and the modder who took away MW-50 from the Bf 109G-6/AS is right.

That's not a fault, it's a fix.
And it's not the modder who's an idiot here, it's the one who stubbornly insists on getting back his wrong flight model from stock game.


Mike

[sturmbock]

That's not a fault, it's a fix.

Right.