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[Orge Schwab]

Hi Pete.
Regarding the single Lewis gun option, yes, it should have a drum. You could possibly use the example from the Sopwith 1.5 Strutter.

[Mission_bug]

Hi Pete.
Regarding the single Lewis gun option, yes, it should have a drum. You could possibly use the example from the Sopwith 1.5 Strutter.

Hello Orge Schwab, I again turned to the Breguet for both sets of turret guns and they seem okay following a
little adjustment to the hooks:







I have sent a link to Alex and he will test things when time allows, if he is happy with what I did and there are
no further adjustments needed I will post the link to the update, always nice to have a second opinion as there
are always things I overlook.

That will be that, I am not going to make the turret useable by the player, they are not something I use myself
so cannot be bothered with the messing it can involve, to be honest I would probably need to re-learn it all again
and it was something I never liked doing anyway.

So, it is now or never for any of you to post up any relevant information that might improve what we already have,
once I post the next update the project will be considered done, I think.

Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Mission_bug]

Hello again guys, here we have what I think will be the last link, hopefully I completed what I set out to do.

Mediafire link:

Link removed by me on 17th June 2023, see further down the thread for new link.

Readme update for 16th June 2023.

Please completely remove your previous version and use this updated one as there have been various changes to java, hier, meshes and and other files and the introduction of new textures and mat files.


Added a second slot for a twin gun turret and used drum fed versions for both single and twin layout from the Breguet with their textures. Some alignment done to weapon hooks.

Gun hooks altered after a suggestion from Alex (Bison_M).

Main gear wheel rotation altered as they turned the wrong way: Alex (Bison_M)

Restored the wings in cockpit folder by deleting 'Hidden' used during alterations to instruments in Skinil.



Add to air.ini:

AR1      air.AR_1          1 fr01 SUMMER
AR1b      air.AR_1b          1 fr01 SUMMER


Please report back anything that might be important to the functionality, hopefully we got all of the bugs. 


Take care and be safe.


Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[leforban]

 
Hi thanks a lot for these two versions of the Dorand AR1
All Works normally in DBW1916 ...
It seems the plane is equipped with a bomb but Only the default loadout appears ...
Is this normal or is my install wrong ?
Le Forban

[leforban]

   :DSolved
I have added the Arms folder from the Breguet 19 in the main DBW1916 folder, renamming it  #Bombs_0_WW1Bombs_French2 and its works ...

[Orge Schwab]

Pete - just tried your latest version, and it looks good, though I don't get any bombs on either version (in latest BAT).

'AR1b' - which I believe is a non-historic designation, set me thinking.

Having looked at what little there is to read about this machine, I think Dimon's original model is somewhat confused, as it is neither an AR-1, nor an AR-2. The AR-2 was a slight improvement on the AR-1 having a more powerful engine, horizontal exhausts (in place of the AR-1's vertical 'rhino horn' effort) and aerofoil-shaped radiators in the top wing centre section (instead of the AR-1's rectangular block radiator hanging beneath the nose). The Dimon model has both horizontal exhausts AND a rhino horn type, though rather smaller than it should be for an AR-1. Looking at pictures, it is pretty clear that most AR-1s had a large collector-type rhino horn exhaust in front of the pilot, next to the gun - and no horizontal exhausts. This obscured his view, hence the desire to be rid of it. The AR-2 simply had the gun and horizontal exhausts.

So, my thought is this:
One could make a better AR-1 by eliminating the horizontal exhausts and replacing the small rhino horn exhaust that we have with the much larger and better one on the existing Breguet 14 (which is practically identical to that actually fitted to the AR-1). This model could have the early single Lewis gun at the back.

A new slot AR-2 could then be made (easy for me to talk, I know) by taking Dimon's model and removing just the small rhino horn exhaust and the rectangular radiator beneath the nose, thereby representing the refinements that took place later. (The wing mounted radiators could simply be indicated on skins). This model could have the later twin Lewis gun arrangement at the back.

I don't know how much extra work this would entail, and I really don't want to add to your workload right now (especially in the muggy UK weather we are 'enjoying') - but I thought I'd put this out there, even if only for future reference by somebody else who may wish to take it on.

Thanks for everything you have done to date.

[stiv_069]

Alas. But the antivirus writes about the threat and the download is interrupted.

[kirk1965]

The same thing happens to me as with Stiv_069, the antivirus interrupts the download due to a virus threat.

[Yaro59]

Same with me, antivirus won't let me download this update

[Mission_bug]

  :DSolved
I have added the Arms folder from the Breguet 19 in the main DBW1916 folder, renamming it  #Bombs_0_WW1Bombs_French2 and its works ...

Hello leforban, my stuff is put together in a ModAct 5.30 install and for that I do have much of the weapons packs made by Dreamk and others so I have not encountered your particular issue but as you fixed it all is good, usually I recommend installing the WWI bomb packs when I actually make something but here those were already on and there was already the arms folder. The only time I did not have bombs show was because I added twin guns I needed to alter the loadout in the java and it has to be done in a certain way. 

Pete - just tried your latest version, and it looks good, though I don't get any bombs on either version (in latest BAT).

Hello Orge Schwab, I have BAT but did not try these in there, I essentially build what I do usually in my ModAct test install but I am surprised that BAT did not have the bombs. As for the rest, far too early to take all that in, first brew and all that.

Much of the work I think could/can be done with the hier I would think rather than any major 3d work, the slot is easy enough just a rename and the aircraft is already in there I think, strange. 

Just a thought for all of you though, with Sknil and Notepad you could do most of the changes I should think, the difficulty is making or adapting 3d if you do not do this yourself already.

Alas. But the antivirus writes about the threat and the download is interrupted.

Hell Mstislav, no idea what the issue is for you and the other guys, I always use Mediafire as I subscribe, the difficulty is usually for me getting things to upload but once there I usually do not have these reports forn users of the link. Sorry, I do not know what to suggest.

The same thing happens to me as with Stiv_069, the antivirus interrupts the download due to a virus threat.

Hello kirk1965, same as for you, I have not a clue, sorry.

Same with me, antivirus won't let me download this update

Hello to you Yaro59, for three of you to get this it is odd for sure, sorry guys I am clueless on this one.

As per what I said to Mstislav it is the same place I upload all the time, as far as I know Mediafire is not prone to this, maybe Mike or one of the main technical guys here might be able to advise but I cannot, sorry. If you got the other links then this  should have downloaded then as well without issue unless something changed in the last few days.

Thank you very much for posting guys, really appreciated.

Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Mission_bug]

Hello again guys, sorry I have had things to do today so this is the first chance I had to look at the armament issue. 

I had thought the AR1 was already in BAT, however, it seems not, at least I cannot find it and so I just assumed there would
be bombs available for it.

I have as already said various packs in my test install for all types but this is the one that worked when just tested:

01__Weapons_France

Now I have other WWI bomb packs that seem to have the type we need but only this loads them in BAT.

Now, inside, are various readme for different aircraft including up to the Maryland so I am going to hazard a guess
that you will find these in the 4.09 department, but I might be wrong!

I have various stuff by Gabriel in my 4.12, he is not only the 4.09 saviour his work also helped me get things going.

So, with the above pack added to my own BAT DOF:










So hopefully if you can find them that should be all you need, the guns seemed to work, at least I tried the
front guns, I will double check for the turret.


As for different versions as mentioned by Orge Schwab, I took a look at a set of photographs and various line drawings on the internet
and it is a confusing mixture of things.

There are short horn, long horn and even two horns, they were long I think if memory serves.

There appear to be at least two different nose profiles, one is quite blunt, a flat face shall we say and the other as we have now.

There seemed to be all kinds of odds and ends as well, so to say it was confusing is an understatement, I can make stuff but I do need a good drawing of some kind really, borrowing stuff from other models might be correct but with a decent drawing I would be happier.

So, as to the request, I am not sure, I will need to take a closer look, considering there were not that many actually manufactured I would not like to have to sift through each drawing revision, it would be a nightmare. I thought the stuff I used to work with was bad, as far as drawings were concerned that is I am not implying we made shit or anything but those of you who work in manufacturing will know what I mean as far as drawing revisions to any component.

As for the issue for some of you downloading, I have no idea what to suggest, I think the only change to my system since the previous link was a Microsoft Windows update! The link provided from MediFire I cannot imagine would contain anything untoward but I am not a techie in this regard so about all I could do is try a new link or you could disable your antivirus!

For the record I only use Malwarebytes and Defender is on.

Anyway, it has been a long enough day and I am tired, I cannot remember when I actually last fired up a sim to actually play, is it good?

I think I need a beer, I have inflicted myself on the rest of humanity far too much already this week.

Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Mission_bug]

Hello again guys, new link to see if it helps those who had issues downloading, also a slight change to a mesh.

MediaFire link:

Link removed by me on 23rd June 2023 as a release thread was opened in the WWI section, see here:

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,71038.0.html



Readme update for 17th June 2023.

BAT users will need this weapon pack '01__Weapons_France', I am not sure but I think it might be from the 4.09 version thread by Epervier.

From the external view the part Cant could be seen through (underside radiator or whatever it is), I added a part that has had the faces flipped to make that look a little better and like a solid compoment inside.

Skin folders:

AR1
AR1b

Last time I loaded the AR-1 I noticed an issue with the front radiator, you could see through it:




I used the part I had flipped the faces on for the cockpit and just added it into each plane folder:





It makes it look better, as though it is a solid part with inner faces.

Enough already, take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.