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Knochenlutscher

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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #108 on: August 21, 2011, 01:39:12 PM »

 :'( I like it
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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #109 on: August 25, 2011, 04:51:30 AM »

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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #110 on: August 25, 2011, 06:01:21 AM »

  Cool work there Doc & Knoch, like the long slats :D and wing 8)
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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #111 on: August 26, 2011, 09:36:14 AM »

the FM of the T has the same wingarea as the E in the current buttons but has significant higher weight. This makes landing speeds very high, even higher than in a regular E.

the given number in FM is 16.2 m2 - what was the actual number for the 109T wing area?

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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #112 on: August 26, 2011, 09:57:53 AM »

the FM of the T has the same wingarea as the E in the current buttons but has significant higher weight. This makes landing speeds very high, even higher than in a regular E.

the given number in FM is 16.2 m2 - what was the actual number for the 109T wing area?

The Bf-109T  had  17.5 m2  wing area

Machine: DB 601N  1175 hp  with  a 3-Propeller with reduced diameter

a lot of Bf-109T2  had a center rack for an droptank



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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #113 on: August 26, 2011, 10:11:34 AM »

the FM of the T has the same wingarea as the E in the current buttons but has significant higher weight. This makes landing speeds very high, even higher than in a regular E.

the given number in FM is 16.2 m2 - what was the actual number for the 109T wing area?

Vampire, remember that real life values don't necessarily correspond in the FM to give the correct performance. The extra weight is due to the carriage of extra naval equipment (arrestor hook, reinforce landing gear/airframe, longer wings etc). And to top it off, the FM was only ever a WIP. It hasn't been revised since then ;)
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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #114 on: August 26, 2011, 11:03:51 AM »

Anto... just assume that I know that now, okay?

the T FM has same wing area which is
a) not to life in effect and numbers
b) combined with the higher weight resus in higher landing speed than a regurlar E which makes absolutely no sense.

just an obersvation from my side.

16.2 m2 is the *real life* value for the E model too!
so if you enter 17.5m2 in the FM you will have a plane that generates more lift and has less wingload. so much is true. This would be to life. Or close enough by IL2 standards and a WIP FM as far as I am concerned.

So it is a WIP. Then it would not be of not much harm to compare the wing areas of the two aircraft and correct what we find, isn't it? :)

It is a bitch to land as it is. At one time I was able to land a E on a carrier without a hook. but not the T... should not be like that.

while at it... what would be the correct prop diameter?

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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #115 on: August 26, 2011, 01:44:51 PM »

Until now I did not find the diameter in cm !

But for the weight of the plane:
BF 109 E-3    Fluggewicht 2610 kg
BF 109 T-2    Fluggewicht  3080 kg

Landingspeed:
BF 109 E-3     130 km/h
BF 109 T-2     125 km/h

Vmax:
BF 109 T-2  570 km/h

Source:

Die 109,
Gesamtentwicklung eines legendären Flugzeuges
Heinz J. Nowarra
Motorbuch Verlag


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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #116 on: August 26, 2011, 02:07:47 PM »

 ;D "more area= less load" This was the best upon this Thread, noteworthy:
Tonis had strengthened Wingstructure in difference to E-7/N and greater Wingspan, which meant more weight.
Add the Carrier stuff for T-0 & T-1, later T-2 had this stuff removed, but GM-1 system added, which meant adding
one more Tank and system component, not just 50 kg. That's why a Toni/T-2 weighs more and has less
performance than the same powered E-7/N or Z. Longer wings don't make it über, they weren't made from
Fibrolan or Duroplast.

E-3
Höchstgeschwindigkeit    570 km/h in 5000 m Höhe
Leergewicht    2010 kg
Fluggewicht    2505 kg

T-2
Höchstgeschwindigkeit    560 km/h in 5000 m Höhe
Leergewicht    2160 kg
Fluggewicht    2800 kg
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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #117 on: August 26, 2011, 02:19:41 PM »

hey guys, I already said, that the overweight of the T is about the only thing modeled to the numbers in the FM. The T in the game weighs more than the E. 130kg more than the E7.

so that is not the issue.
But the overweight bird still has the same wing area as the E in the game... THAT is the issue.

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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #118 on: August 26, 2011, 02:26:15 PM »

OK, I see, have no clue about FM, I must pass here
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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #119 on: August 26, 2011, 02:49:21 PM »

I don't think it needs much to get from an E FM to T FM.
only three basical differences

add the weight -> done
change the engine -> uups...
increase the wing area - >... oh.

so, all we have is a fat goose with a DB601A engine and small wings but a hook added.
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