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Vampire_pilot

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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2010, 08:16:45 AM »

would it be possible for someone who knows what to do there to make a better "raised seat position"?

the one that is in there is not the best to my thinking. maybe a centered, most upward position would be preferable. One that allows a non-6DOF user to see the deck on final aroach?

thanks for the vid!
but I am afraid this doesn't help me much. this is exactly the same try/error aproach without seeing a thing that I already know.
and the end result in bending the blades ios also not the best. I CAN be done right, i had lucky ones. If I just could see the deck....
with this vision I do no even have a clue when i pass the deck's end. and the 5m +/- in altitude make all the difference if you catch or not.

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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2010, 10:23:08 AM »

vampire_pilot, sorry perhaps the video notes didn't work but basically my joystick has a limitation input of 60% pitch in IL2. So I couldn't actually stop the nose from going in... With a normal joystick setting that people use for dogfighting and one that you would probably use, then you'll be fine.

Raised seat position doesn't work without an open canopy, and you can't do that in a 109 on landing.

If you notice on my video you just keep the aerials of the carrier in your cockpit sight, and if you keep them there then you are on the correct approach path, just make sure you can only see that little bit the whole time.
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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2010, 11:26:07 AM »

this guy has an "open canopy" command (actually nothing happens in 3D but I guess this was done to enable the raised seat) and a "raised seat". did not discover that? try it.

the position is an awkward lean to the very left. so in an aproach the carrier is almost covered by the first windshield strut (in a car it would be A-column). it doesn't help me one bit since the raise is not enough.

i have tried the aerial aproach alrady (actually, you carrier seems to be at a standstill  - can you do the same when it moves at 50 to 60 km/h?) I also alread tried the smoke ... I can't judge the altitude correctly and I can't see (feel, guess... whatever) when I cross the deck and so i am "guessworking" where the cables are.
i RL there should be an option where you see this stuff and see the deck - just as in the regular carrier fighters.

on a carrier that has cables also more forward on the deck I get better results because at some point i can see I am over the deck and can judge how far. But any carrier that only has cables right at the end of the deck I am lost because I cant see when the deck begins and when i see it it is too late.
bad thing is the Zeppelin Mod is one of those...

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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2010, 11:35:14 AM »

so it isn't really that bad. Also landing it on a normal strip would be just as bad compared to a carrier since the carrier has a tower which you can always see even sitting right at the back of the cockpit, whereas a landing strip is pretty much flat, buildings aren't that tall neither is the tower if there is one...

one more thing... to me this is VERY different. it is the altitude feeling. a strip is level with the surronding ground so you can "see" your altitude. also a carrier ususally moves quite fast. a strip does not. once you difed your angle it allways stays the same, as on a carrier it getts faltter and flatter that way because your aiming point moves away from you.
a carrier aproach on a moving carrier is quite different when done visually.

the corridor in altitude and angle for the 109T is so small that for me the 5m increment and the speedbar (and my ability to keep it all at a certain value on descent) are too much. I need visibilty, I am not talented enough to do this blind (and I doubt all others are).

another solution may be a FM change to create more lift at lower speeds (as if the plane had bigger wings  -LOL- and bigger landing flaps. that way you could go slower and the margins for reaction would increase.

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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2010, 11:38:33 AM »

Ah, it already has an open canopy command? I didn't know that. Well we have a thing where we have the open canopy activated in the first release to avoid online compatibility issues if the canopy bit gets modelled in later releases. That's probably why it does nothing right now. I can try and add a raised seat position if you would like, let me have a look around.

Yes the carrier I landed on was standstill, but moving ones are kinda easier in my opinion. If it moves at 50-60kmh that is overspeeding for the carrier and if it does go near that fast, even if the hook doesn't catch the plane should stop before the end of the deck XD

If I can do the raised seat I'll report back on it in a bit...
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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2010, 12:17:27 PM »

Okay it worked, patch link is on the first page. Now you can see over your nose quite easily, tell me if there are any issues with it. First time I've ever done something like this so I'm glad it works :D

To the creators of this mod, I hope you don't mind me adding the patch to the first post. If there are any issues, let me know.
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Fw-190T? Yeah I said "FW-190T"
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2010, 12:20:34 PM »

Is any possible Someone MOD a hooked Fw-190T?   http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal7/6301-6400/gal6328-Fw-190-Drake/00.shtm
http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&&sa=X&ei=8pZhTP32H4T48Aa4hKWvCg&ved=0CBIQvwUoAQ&q=fw-190+graf+zeppelins&spell=1&fp=8631cdd35a4d476d

"Focke Wulf Fw-190T-1 'Black 1' 1/ZG.1, 1943

The Fw-190T was a navalised development of the successful FW190A series of Luftwaffe fighters.  The Fw-190T-1 was powered by a supercharged DB601 in-line engine, incorporating many of the features trialled on the prototype FW190 V18, including a 4-bladed propeller.

The T-1 was, despite being built in only small numbers, considered an important type at the time of its introduction into service.  Designed as a sea-going point air defence aircraft for the German carrier 'Graf Zeppelin' and its battle group, the Fw-190T-1 provided the fledging Kreigsmarine with a higher performance fighter than the Bf-109T, and allowed German naval aviators to develop fighter tactics in advance of receiving the fully-navalised T-2 (the T-1 did not feature folding wings).

Always considered an interim type, the Fw-190T-1 saw service only with the Kreigsmarine's composite Zeegruppe 1.  Following the destruction of the Graf Zeppelin by RAF and FAA attacks in early 1944, the remaining examples joined the small production batch of Fw-190T-2s in contributing to the air defence of Hamburg."
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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2010, 12:22:17 PM »

crazyflak is working on the naval 190s. Expect something soon ;)

There was a thread on it but I can't seem to find it anymore, it had an odd name... lol
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Re: Fw-190T-1? Yeah I said "FW-190T"
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2010, 12:26:10 PM »

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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2010, 12:32:23 PM »

crazyflak is working on the naval 190s. Expect something soon ;)

There was a thread on it but I can't seem to find it anymore, it had an odd name... lol
  Oh Good! I remembered seeing "Fw-190" in Graf Zeppelins article so long time.  I sort of agree with Fw-190 due to air cooled, carry bombs, wide landing gear, opened canopy when landing or take off.   
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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2010, 01:05:42 PM »

To the creators of this mod, I hope you don't mind me adding the patch to the first post. If there are any issues, let me know.

As long as it works :) Would have taken me a while to get around to it...
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Re: new slot Bf-109T with moving hook
« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2010, 01:44:00 PM »

Bf-109 G-12 twoseater pls
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