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GerritJ9

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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2010, 03:19:06 AM »

They didn't have to look very far to get footage of enemy P-40s. The Japanese captured several USAAC P-40s in the Philippines, and also on Java- the latter were ex-USAAC P-40Es and also some of the 27 "Seawitch" P-40Es, which had been divided between the ML and the RAF. Unfortunately, these latter a/c were crated and had to be assembled first- the ML had three of their fifteen test-flown on March 7th 1942, too late to see action. As far as I know none of the RAF's twelve were flown before the fall of Java. :( 
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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2010, 03:41:15 AM »

moving.... ;)
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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2010, 03:59:41 AM »

They spent a lot of time to make all this airplane models and the field , like jafa said that film looks ahead of its time ,can you people imagine the work on that film?? Perfect,
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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2010, 05:19:41 AM »

Man, with their kill ratio in this film, it's a million wonders why we won the war huh?? LOL
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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2010, 07:09:57 AM »

Man, with their kill ratio in this film, it's a million wonders why we won the war huh?? LOL

Well if you see at the beginning of the war Americans owned by AJN but Us have produce advanced planes and turn the tables! And this is an early video ,Buffalo planes where very easy for ki-43 to shot down so its not so propaganda film ,i have read somewhere that 10 ki-43 at the first days of war shot down 15 Us planes and claimed probably 6 more heavy wounded with 2 planes MIA by them!
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2010, 09:08:31 AM »

And this is an early video ,Buffalo planes where very easy for ki-43 to shot down
The early tactics (or the lack of it) of the Allies made the difference, rather than the planes. Looked how effective the Buffalos were in the hands of the Finns. They knew to avoid dogfighting with agile opponents and only used only boom and zoom tactics in such cases.
The Allies in the Pacific were pretty naive to start dogfighting the lighter and nimble Japanese fighters. They caught up though..
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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2010, 11:03:34 AM »

The early tactics (or the lack of it) of the Allies made the difference, rather than the planes. Looked how effective the Buffalos were in the hands of the Finns. They knew to avoid dogfighting with agile opponents and only used only boom and zoom tactics in such cases.
The Allies in the Pacific were pretty naive to start dogfighting the lighter and nimble Japanese fighters. They caught up though..

EXACTLY!!!

I did this stuff , in real life, for 16 years..

As we used to say in the USAF fighter community..  " A hamburger in ANY bun.. is STILL a hamburger!"  Meaning that a lousy fighter pilot in the worlds most advance fighter will still lose to a better fighter pilot in an older aircraft.. Better meaning 'smarter'..

US Training and tactics prior to involvement in actual combat still emphasized the turn and burn mentality...  which played right into the tactics and strengths of the Japanese..  The reasons for these short comings in tactics and training were many.. Funding, Isolationist mentality, lack of realistic intelligence.. etc. etc..

Additionally, there was a lot of US propaganda to explain the initial losses US forces experienced early in the fight... One MAJOR propaganda claim was we has 'inferior aircraft'...

US pilots fought the Japanese pilots fight... at first..  It did not take long to learn this lesson...  its amazing how death motivates people to learn and adapt! Remember. the Attack on Pearl Harbor was in December of 1941..

The AVG in the first months of 1942 applied appropriate tactics and prevailed.. The P-40, that was 'Inferior' continued to maintain a positive kill to loss ratio throughout the war.. once it was 'flown' properly..

The US Navy did the same.. and in June of 1942 the 'Thatch Weave' and other high energy and mutual support tactics/procedures led to victory after victory,, Just six months after Pearl Harbor.. the IJN was soundly defeated at Midway.. and never recovered the offensive..

the USN and USMC wrote history  in the skies around Guadalcanal..  with 'Obsolete' and 'inferior' F4F's..  was the F4F as good or better as the A6M?   the real answer is it depends on what performance you are comparing.. overall the F4F, while not 'better' by any stretch of the imagination.. it was a pretty fair competitor to the Zero.. It was close enough that the 'Stick actuator' is what made the difference..  When the F4F pilot fought their aircraft correctly.. a zero pilot had his hands full..  The F4F was also to stay in combat operations for the entire duration of the war..

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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2010, 12:29:53 PM »

Yes like i said mate its an early video and all Us pilots fall in the deep and the True scale of war , but the IJA pilots all ready fight against mercenary private Units of noble people in south ,so they were ready but They have the planes and technology of 1935 and Us almost immediately produce better planes and close that gap !
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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2010, 03:05:47 PM »

I've always been amazed that the Japanese pilots (IJA), could shotdown something, with poor armament of their aircraft... (Ki-27 and Ki-43).

If I had been a pilot in those days, had always preferred a P-40, Buffalo or Hurricane, rather than one of the weak Japanese planes.

The Japanese pilots in the early years of war, they must be exceptional pilots.

And in the late wars years, fight riding a Hayabusa against a P-38 or P-51 and surviving says much for the skill of the Japanese pilots
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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2010, 04:34:26 PM »

Absolutely brilliant, I loved them, thanks for posting guy's.
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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2010, 08:09:23 PM »

It's a propaganda film only in the same way that "Wake Island" with Robert Preston and William Bendix is a propaganda film. Hayabusa Regiment was made for theatrical release in movie theaters as entertainment. It's a fictional story with a difference that it was made in Burma during the war. The bombing mission footage was made with the co-operation of the Japanese Army Air force on real bombing missions, and on special fake missions flown specifically for the movie. P-40s and Buffaloes were flown and filmed, using stunt pilots. The model work footage of the destroyed allied base was inserted using the same techniques that Hollywood used in films like "Bombardier", and "30 Seconds over Tokyo."
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Re: Awesome japanese propaganda film, very rare fotage (I think)
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2010, 03:41:02 AM »

S!

 Nice find. That Hayabusa could do an insanely fast roll in the other film. And again some credits given to the men keeping the planes airborne ;) :D
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